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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:24 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:24 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I think Hayes did fear for his life though
Maybe the case really shows to not unload your mag into someone without a justifiable reason to do so.
However, I don't believe he had reasonable reasons to fear for his life
Nothing about how the situation went down paints the picture of Hayes killing Smith out of anger or rage
However, I think with what I just said my vote as a juror would be manslaughter. I really wish we had a witness that was neutral that was closer to Smith/Hayes during the shooting
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:26 pm to diat150
Oh I definitely agree with not talking to anyone when put in any kind of situation. It's just not the main thing I'd take from this case.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:28 pm to LNCHBOX
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Oh I definitely agree with not talking to anyone when put in any kind of situation. It's just not the main thing I'd take from this case.
well you better. self defense is a very subjective thing in a murder trial. anything you say can and will be used against you... which was well displayed in this trial so far.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:30 pm to diat150
Hayes wouldn't need to be relying on a subjective self defense claim had he not blasted Smith in the fashion he did.
No evidence has been provided to say he was remotely justified. I think he'd agree with my main takeaway over yours.
No evidence has been provided to say he was remotely justified. I think he'd agree with my main takeaway over yours.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:31 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:None needs to be though.
No evidence has been provided to say he was remotely justified.
The state needs evidence to prove he didn't. Which, I don't feel they did a great job of.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:32 pm to lsupride87
So you think Hayes will walk then?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:37 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
Hayes wouldn't need to be relying on a subjective self defense claim had he not blasted Smith in the fashion he did.
No evidence has been provided to say he was remotely justified. I think he'd agree with my main takeaway over yours.
of course he would now... cant change history though. unless you think he just flat out murdered smith to do it, he either made a very bad mistake or the facts of what happened were not presented properly. In either of those situations, talking to the police would never be used to help him. so your point is moot.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:37 pm to LNCHBOX
I have no idea how that jury will vote. I'm simply saying I do not think the state did a going job of paining the picture of the Hayes/Smith interaction.
They did a good job of crossing up some of the defenses stories and statements, but that isn't actually proving anything
The state never even produced a witness that saw the shooting. So without that, how can they tell me what happened in those last crucial moments?
They did a good job of crossing up some of the defenses stories and statements, but that isn't actually proving anything
The state never even produced a witness that saw the shooting. So without that, how can they tell me what happened in those last crucial moments?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:40 pm to diat150
quote:
so your point is moot.
So typical of you. Hayes put himself in this situation. Did he make it worse by talking? Apparently. But that doesn't change the fact that a really stupid decision got him in the situation in the first place.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:41 pm to lsupride87
Do you honestly think there is a justifiable reason for Hayes to have done what he did after everything that's been presented?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:43 pm to LNCHBOX
87 has been Hayes camp since beginning, I'm surprised he's crossed the bridge this much
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:43 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:if Hayes is telling the truth, what was his really stupid decision?
So typical of you. Hayes out himself in this situation. Did he make it worse by talking? Apparently. But that doesn't change the fact that a really stupid decision got him in the situation in the first place.
Gets hit, tries to follow car for license plate, accidentally hits car, other party gets out irate, other party threatens to get gun, other party grabs gun
I guess you could say following him is not smart, but I wouldn't call it really stupid
Like I said that is under the assumption he is telling the truth
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:44 pm to lsupride87
quote:
if Hayes is telling the truth, what was his really stupid decision?
He's not telling the truth though.
quote:
Like I said that is under the assumption he is telling the truth
Pretty terrible assumption based off the entirety of the trial.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:44 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Did you miss my post where I said no? Did you miss that part?
Will Smith Murder Trial--Day 6 discussion starts on Page 163
Do you honestly think there is a justifiable reason for Hayes to have done what he did after everything that's been presented?
No I don't think there has been evidence that proves it was justified
I just also don't think there was evidence that showed it wasn't
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:44 pm to lsupride87
Hayes is an idiot, his story went from he's getting a gun to oh yeah he had a gun and hit his wife with it but I never told anyone that he had a gun shooting to the police
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:45 pm to lsupride87
So you think he should walk then?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:46 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:You are being slow tonight
Pretty terrible assumption based off the entirety of the trial.
In diats scenario, he said don't ever talk to the police. And if Hayes is telling the truth, he has shown why not to
You are purposely not seeing he is making a general point
I am not letting you rope me in again. My baby actually fell asleep early so I am going enjoy a beer
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:48 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
So typical of you. Hayes put himself in this situation. Did he make it worse by talking? Apparently. But that doesn't change the fact that a really stupid decision got him in the situation in the first place.
Words fall from your mouth like shite from arse. Did I not out a bad enough beating on you the other day? Even a moderator had to step in to stop you from making an even bigger arse out of yourself. That in itself should have taught you to challenge someone of a higher station in a war of wits.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:49 pm to LNCHBOX
In my personal opinion, based on my gut I think it's manslaughter
I think based on what we have actually had presented I think he should walk
Now, if I was on the jury would I be disciplined enough to go by the facts of the case and how I interpreted them like I should, or would I fall into the human trap and vote for manslaughter?
Drinking an IPA at home by the fire I can't answer that
I think based on what we have actually had presented I think he should walk
Now, if I was on the jury would I be disciplined enough to go by the facts of the case and how I interpreted them like I should, or would I fall into the human trap and vote for manslaughter?
Drinking an IPA at home by the fire I can't answer that
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:50 pm to lsupride87
quote:
quote:
Maybe the case really shows to not unload your mag into someone without a justifiable reason to do so.
I think Hayes did fear for his life though
However, I don't believe he had reasonable reasons to fear for his life
I think he feared for his life as well... and I'll be honest if I had a confrontation with someone the size of WS I would possibly be unreasonably fearful of my life, but if I was to know they were a saints player, it would probably drop that fear almost to zero
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