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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter

Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by lsuhunt555
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:36 pm to
Welp, that seems like a wrap then.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:37 pm to
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Who put that into evidence? If it was defense and they didn't question more details about it, is that poor lawyering and grounds for an appeal if convicted?


seems like they would have. If that really is ross it seems like him saying that 5 minutes after it happened would be much more imortant than 9 months later when the mind could be cloudy or prejudices can take over.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:40 pm to
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No that was the first time he mentioned it. He tried to say that his talking to the police didn't qualify as an interrogation and that he only told the full story to his lawyers. The forensics dispute that Smith ever fired a gun.


seems like they blew their wad with the bs stuff. weedy, ceravelo, and then him not shooting smiths wife.

seems like they were in a good position when it was his word vs the smith team when pretty much everyone was saying smith and co were the aggressors and he was calm.
Posted by detmut
Jesuit 81 Metairie
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:52 pm to
other way around. it was 60 days to indict. increased to 120 .
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:53 pm to
I agree, there still hasn't been a damning witness testimony against Hayes that paints him as the main aggressor
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
39028 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:02 pm to
If the Prosecutor is any good it won't matter. Hayes testimony is damning enough. The guy made up a story under oath and if he didn't make up a story then he withheld information to the police following a fatal shooting. Not to mention the fact that the forensic evidence apparently contradicts everything he said.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 8:03 pm
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
11402 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:02 pm to
Yeah Fuller was doing a good job of painting Hernandez as the aggressor and showing how badly NOPD handled the investigation the first couple days. Seems like everyone thought he would have something up his sleeve when he called witnesses to the stand but if anything his witnesses hurt Hayes.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:07 pm to
Hayes told us the aggressor Hernandez was long gone
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:14 pm to
That's what I just said.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26845 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:19 pm to
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I agree, there still hasn't been a damning witness testimony against Hayes that paints him as the main aggressor


Well, he's on trial for killing an unarmed man and shooting his wife, so I think that who the main aggressor was is not that important. The evidence showed that Smith didn't possess or fire his gun, but Hayes said otherwise for the first time today. I think that shows that Hayes was overly aggressive in his response.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:21 pm to
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Well, he's on trial for killing an unarmed man and shooting his wife, so I think that who the main aggressor was is not that important. The evidence showed that Smith didn't possess or fire his gun, but Hayes said otherwise for the first time today. I think that shows that Hayes was overly aggressive in his response.



Yeah it's not that hard to figure out who the main aggressor was
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:21 pm to
Hayes had a better chance before Fuller started calling witnesses. Going into yesterday, I thought there was a decent chance he would walk, and if convicted, at least one of the lesser charges. Now, I don't think he has a shot of either...
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
39028 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:45 pm to
Sorry, I'm late to the party. I had not long before read his testimony and asked about his accounts to police. I was mostly agreeing with you and spelling it all out in my mind.
Posted by phil good
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:51 pm to
Hayes will be out and at his maws house by Monday morning.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48075 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:53 pm to
mordock one of the lawyers that has been active on twitter at the trial said that fuller is one of the best closers that he has ever seen. will be interesting tomorrow.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:59 pm to
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Did he tell police
who talks to the police??? frick that, I've made that mistake before, you best believe in any situation when I'm in cuffs or have any feeling at all that police could even possibly eye me for something, I will not say a work. 8 times out of 10 you say something you regret and the other 2 times the police completely twist your words to have you saying something you did not say. So best way to stop that is to not say anything but could you please contact my attorney.

And I'm being completely honest and not trying to be some hard arse or act off of something I've seen on tv.


(Long story slightly off topic)

I've unfortunately been arrested and in some trouble several years back when I was a little snot nosed dumbass, and even the times when I accepted reaponsiblitly and admitted up to all I had done wrong the arresting officer 100% of the time in EVERY single arrest I've had has wrote a false police report on me. I've had over a handful of arrest from dwi, criminal damage to property from a bar fight, to simple possession of narcotics. And like I said on every single occasion I've had the officer not tell the truth on the police report even when I was admitting and accepting responsibility for my transgressions.....
This has inturn made me completely jaded toward law enforcement unfortunately, even after a decade later or straightening my self out, growing up, and becoming a productive member of society... I don't know if I'll ever gain back respect for them.... (besides the few that are in my family, I would like to think they are part of the 2% that have integrity and care about our constitution)


Sorry for the long tirade hijack
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291250 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:01 pm to
Again that is pretty much what I just said. His responses were bad today because they go against some facts presented in the case. Facts that wouldn't have buried him to begin with. Will Smith didn't have to touch or fire his gun for Hayes yet justifiably shoot him yet Hayes went & dug himself in a hole by contradicting the story that has been told already

Seems like they were over compensating for something. Perhaps all the Saints in the building or the PI that bombed yesterday
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:04 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48075 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:08 pm to
never talk to the police. This case also shows never talk to anyone either at the scene or anywhere else about the crime you potentially committed. make sure and tell your buddy if he was there not to talk either. Nothing they or you say will ever be used to help you, only to be used against you.

these days you have to assume if there is an incident someone will have a phone recording.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:10 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:11 pm to
Maybe the case really shows to not unload your mag into someone without a justifiable reason to do so.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 9:12 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48075 posts
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:15 pm to
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Maybe the case really shows to not unload your mag into someone without a justifiable reason to do so.


im not speaking to what happened in this case. I am talking about in general. your best option of not incriminating yourself is to never talk to anyone that isnt representing your best interests. period. extra emphasis on after a situation like this where you have just shot someone, justified or not.
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