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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/10/16 at 3:56 pm to reddman
Posted on 12/10/16 at 3:56 pm to reddman
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Mike Triplett ?@MikeTriplett
Ballistics expert testifies someone who fired revolver would have more than just 1-2 particles of gunshot residue on hands as Will Smith did
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 3:58 pm to bayourougebengal
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the most sensible outcome. The state hasn't proven too me behind a reasonable doubt.
I think they will be close on the top line charge but wouldn't be surprised to see a lesser like that be where it falls as a "compromise" verdict
I don't think a wide majority will want to put him in jail for life over this
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 3:59 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:Did not appear to be tailgating in the video
Oh, I wasn't following you. My guess is that he was tailgating them pretty closely and so usually the driver notices first when looking into the rearview mirror and that's my guess as to how they noticed (and they were right, he did hit them).
And that story has changed anyway
Originally both women said they never saw the hummer
Then it changed to we saw the hummer and it felt like they were chasing us
They lied to make it seem like Hayes was a mad man after them
Both sides have done some lying
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:02 pm to lsupride87
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Both sides have done some lying
Yup - I think the haziness of each sides version, somewhat vague witnesses and the plausible nature of the crash being accidental coupled with Hernandez acting like he did and smith having a gun he might've been getting makes it a situation where a few folks will feel uncomfortable with the 2nd degree murder. Whether that's more or less than 2 is the magic question. I don't think he goes free though.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:03 pm to lsupride87
Jade Cunningham ?@Cunningham_JL
Acosta is stepping down. State rests which means both sides have rested their cases. Closing arguments will take place tomorrow
Acosta is stepping down. State rests which means both sides have rested their cases. Closing arguments will take place tomorrow
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:10 pm to lsupride87
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And that story has changed anyway
Originally both women said they never saw the hummer
Then it changed to we saw the hummer and it felt like they were chasing us
That's possible.
I had seen a video a while back of Hayes moving pretty good following Smith, but I don't know if there was any video right up in the area where the 2nd incident happened. I haven't seen one, so it's hard to say with that part.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:11 pm to NoSaint
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smith having a gun he might've been getting makes it a situation where a few folks will feel uncomfortable with the 2nd degree murder.
I don't see what Smith's gun would have to do with anything. The defense hasn't shown any threat from it as far as I could see in the tweets. Maybe it played out differently in court though. Without the gun being on Smith, or at the very least out of it's holster/case, I don't think it's particularly relevant.
I think the state has more than enough for manslaughter, and as far as I'm concerned has done enough for murder 2. I think Fuller overplayed his hand big time in the press leading up to the case. I expected more from the defense.
ETA: two quick downvotes. So surprising
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:12 pm to rt3
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State rests which means both sides have rested their cases. Closing arguments will take place tomorrow
I'd hate to be on this jury. If I was in court maybe I'd have a better idea of how I'd vote but from this thread and twitter I'm not really sure what I'd do.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:18 pm to LSUintheNW
Unless you buy into the theory that evidence was removed from the scene, I think you have to convict him.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:21 pm to reddman
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Unless you buy into the theory that evidence was removed from the scene, I think you have to convict him.
yeah... I just don't see how he can get off scott free
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:28 pm to rt3
what is his sentence like if he gets only negligent homicide?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:29 pm to rt3
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yep... all legal analysts are like "this has been a disaster for the defense"
I think an actual legit attorney could have gotten Hayes off. Fuller is and always will be a joke.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:31 pm to LSUintheNW
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If I was in court maybe I'd have a better idea of how I'd vote but from this thread and twitter I'm not really sure what I'd do.
The guy never mentioned Smith having a gun in his hand until today (despite all the evidence saying otherwise) and then says he didn't shoot Racquel Smith (despite evidence showing that all of the bullets came from his gun) and you're really unsure of what you would do? Now I can see maybe being iffy on what extent to punish him, but it seems pretty clear that the Hayes went where he didn't need to go.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:38 pm to Lester Earl
It's 0-5, but they aren't coming back negligent homicide.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:42 pm to tLSU
what will come back?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:43 pm to Lester Earl
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what will come back?
manslaughter
ETA: which can go all the way up to 40 yrs
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:45 pm to rt3
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manslaughter
I don't think it comes back manslaughter unless Fuller asks for manslaughter in closing tomorrow. And even then it'll be difficult.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:48 pm to tLSU
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I don't think it comes back manslaughter unless Fuller asks for manslaughter in closing tomorrow. And even then it'll be difficult.
I take you back to this tweet that I posted on the last page
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CJ Mordock ?@CJMordock
Responsive verdicts to 2nd degree murder are att 2nd murder, manslaughter, att manslaughter and negligent homicide. Jury can convict on any
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:50 pm to rt3
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I take you back to this tweet that I posted on the last page
I was a prosecutor in this same courtroom, I'm aware of what the responsive verdicts are.
What I'm saying is that unless Fuller asks the jury to come back with a manslaughter, they aren't going to do it on their own. And you can be sure that Rodrigue will be ready to tell them why it isn't in rebuttal.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:51 pm to rt3
If I was on the jury I think I would go with manslaughter. Wouldn't let it go murder 2.
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