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Why wouldn’t network TV want as many viewers as possible?

Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:58 pm
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:58 pm
I’m thinking about cutting the cord, and while I know the options to get local channels, I wonder what is the reason for limiting access.

It seems like the networks would want as many eyes on their programming as possible seeing as though their main revenue stream is ads.

I’m going to the in-laws for Thanksgiving and they are cord cutters l, so I’ll have to sign in to NBC with my info to watch the saints game on their app. That just seems stupid to me. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, a few years ago you could just go to their website and watch the games. If advertising $ is my bread and butter, I want as many eyes as possible on my product.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42606 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:59 pm to
Local channels are free with an antenna.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:00 pm to
Use an OTA antenna it’s free
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31170 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:06 pm to
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If advertising $ is my bread and butter, I want as many eyes as possible on my product.


With most streaming cable and sat options, you are not forced to watch commercials. As a result, the network affiliates make up the revenue of lost eyes on commercials via charging third party providers to carry their channels. I watch a bunch of sports (and TV shows) and rarely watch anything in real-time because I am not wasting my time watching commercials.
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:19 pm to
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Use an OTA antenna it’s free


I don’t have an access problem. I can easily sign up and stream and will. I’m just questioning why an industry that lives and dies by ratings and ad revenue would limit access.
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 8:21 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31596 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:27 pm to
I need to do this. Just pick up an antenna at Walmart or something and I can get local channels? I haven’t had cable in 15 years but I’d like to catch the local news
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31170 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:31 pm to
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I haven’t had cable in 15 years but I’d like to catch the local news


The first question is do you have a TV that is newer than 15 years old? The reason is you need one with a digital OTA tuner.

If so a $20 flat antenna will probably work for all your locals unless you live in the sticks. If you do you need to use one of the antennae sizing websites to determine what you need at your distance from the transmitters.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:31 pm to
Because poors aren't a valued demographic, and nether are senior citizens (unless you are selling pillows and catheters).

CBS axed Green Acres, Mayberry RFD and the like in the late 60s, not becausemtheymdidnt bring eyeballs (they did), but because they brought people who didn't spend much money. That's when the TV demographic shift happened.

Does that answer your question?
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:32 pm to
I’ve yet to hear a legitimate reason why broadcast TV limits viewers.

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Because poors aren't a valued demographic, and nether are senior citizens (unless you are selling pillows and catheters). CBS axed Green Acres, Mayberry RFD and the like in the late 60s, not becausemtheymdidnt bring eyeballs (they did), but because they brought people who didn't spend much money. That's when the TV demographic shift happened. Does that answer your question?


No it doesn’t. I get demographics, but they aren’t increasing a single lucrative demographic by limiting access. Nobody is not watching a football game because it’s exclusive and hard to watch.

I get your logic with ESPN and their cable contracts, but that logic doesn’t exist for NBC, CBS, FOX, and ABC.
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 8:37 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31170 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:37 pm to
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I’ve yet to hear a legitimate reason why broadcast TV limits viewers.


I explained THE answer. Because with streaming, cable, and satellite providers so much of the viewing is time-shifted and people fast forward through commercials. Affiliates charge 3rd party providers to carry their content due to significant loss of eyeballs on commercials when viewed that way by a large portion of consumers. Not sure why this doesn't make sense.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:44 pm to
They are excluding unvalued demographics. Poors and old folks would just do without, but the 18-49 demo would stream.

Addition by subtraction?
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13398 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:46 pm to
The NFL is a whole other ballgame with streaming rights not matching broadcast rights problem.

TV gets the rights to the game with one contract, and the NFL sells or manages the streaming rights separately. With the streaming rights, it can get even more complicated as certain cell providers may have exclusive access (more money) to streaming games on certain devices. But if you access via a laptop you can bypass that block.

But the answer is money.
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 8:50 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:48 pm to
You do realize you get network stations on your TV right? ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and PBS.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42606 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:51 pm to
They're not limiting viewers. The government was giving away free antenna vouchers for poors a few years when they switched to all digital. A cheap antenna is $20 today. There's no excuse to not at least be able to watch the local channels.
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:00 pm to
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They're not limiting viewers. The government was giving away free antenna vouchers for poors a few years when they switched to all digital. A cheap antenna is $20 today. There's no excuse to not at least be able to watch the local channels.


All of that is moot. Poors also have internet. When your bread and butter is eyeballs, I would think you’d want to have as many people as possible watching.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:05 pm to
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I get your logic with ESPN and their cable contracts, but that logic doesn’t exist for NBC, CBS, FOX, and ABC.
Yes it does. Do you not realize that the local stations charge cable/satellite/streaming companies to carry their content?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:09 pm to
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I’ve yet to hear a legitimate reason why broadcast TV limits viewers.
And you have yet to explain why you think that they are "limiting viewers" without more than making up for the loss in ad revenue with content rights contract revenue.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31170 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 9:27 pm to
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I would think you’d want to have as many people as possible watching.


The key is eyeballs on COMMERCIALS.

The ratings drive the value of commercials but when streaming or other 3rd party providers services allow you to skip commercials they charge the 3rd party to carry their content to make up for the lost reveue. Companies that pay for the commercials only pay for the expected eyeballs on the commercials they don't care how many people watch the content between commercials. Your in-laws apparently don't pay the extra fee for locals they could get it free OTA but wouldn't have the option to skip the commercials which is how it is "free".

Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13398 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 10:19 pm to
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The key is eyeballs on COMMERCIALS.


Another reason too is that some of those commercials that air on TV cannot run on the Internet. You can thank unions and copyright for that one.

A commercial advertiser may license a song or music bed for Broadcast in the commercial, but if they don’t pay extra for the web rights then it won’t run on the web legally.

If you watch live local newscasts on a channel like Fox 8 in New Orleans, they cut to graphic during the commercial breaks and/or insert web approved commercials.

Now some stations may also look at this situation as a double edge sword. Instead of just putting the same over the air commercials, you can look at this as an area where you can get a separate revenue stream by using different sponsors. Also, it is very expensive for those streaming services that the stations need to deliver its signal to your device.

On a larger scale of broadcast rights, locally signals need geofencing so that let’s say you are in the New Orleans broadcast area you will need to be on a New Orleans station and stream instead of a Baton Rouge station stream.


If you stream on demand on apps like ABC, I have seen even local spots inserted. Not sure if this is TV station provided spots or if they are just random AdSense network buys.
Posted by LSUJay13
South Louisiana
Member since May 2008
543 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 10:19 pm to
Cable and satellite providers pay the locals a set fee for each subscriber ($2 or so). A lot of money to be had, but dwindling every day.

If they just allowed access to everyone easily online it would limit their exclusive rights and would not be able to make money off of the cable and satellite providers. I know it is easy to get it with an antenna, but you said it yourself it is just easier to login and get it that way.
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