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re: Why the hell are there gators at Disney where small children are at?
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:38 pm to dualed
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:38 pm to dualed
On google maps somebody did a 360 photo of about where it supposedly happened (near the edge of that brush) if anybody wanted to see the no swimming sign.
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This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 12:40 pm
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:38 pm to tigerskin
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Tell me who in Louisiana hasn't been in water with gators?
Whether they know it or not anyone in east Texas, southern Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, or any part of Florida has been within a football field or two of gators if they were in fresh water a few times.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:40 pm to The Macho King
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. You can never be too safe.
Ehhh, like it or not, you always have to weigh costs and risks/expectations
Do you and your kids (if you have the ) wear helmets 24/7?
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:40 pm to Chad504boy
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No swimming sign was facing the wrong way.
back side of sign should say no eating
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:42 pm to Bmath
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They have full-time staff devoted to animal control. Short of maybe having better signage and a staff appointment, there isn't much else they can realistically do. To close off the beach permanently would be an act of succumbing to fear.
That's pretty much all people are asking for, and possibly all Disney was legally required to do to avoid liability.
They created this fantasy land "where dreams come true." The last thing anyone is worrying about is dangerous wildlife. Disney wouldn't let that happen. The lack of gator signage even suggests they somehow effectively prevent gators. But they don't. They try, but they don't. They know they don't, but still fail to warn that they don't.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:43 pm to FLObserver
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They have people assigned to this type of thing(alligator control) and it failed.
Is anything ever 100% effective?
Your bar for failure is any incident. 10's of millions of people go to WDW every year. Thousands of which hang around these beach areas, this is the first death from an alligator.
Sure, they may need to implement additional safeguards, but I would not say that their prevention system is failing.
Disney will settle with the family and will change a few things at the resort. However, the level of risk will not change in a statistically significant way.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:46 pm to Bmath
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e family and will change a few things at the resort. However, the level of risk will not change in a statistically significant way
Right. It will still be statisticaly zero.
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:47 pm to Bmath
A friend of mine posted on facebook yesterday a picture of her 3 yr son standing in the exact same spot 30 minutes earlier as where the 2 year old who was killed.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:48 pm to Bmath
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Sure, they may need to implement additional safeguards, but I would not say that their prevention system is failing.
Exactly. To the contrary, I would argue that it's pretty damn effective. Hell, even the Florida Wildlife & Fisheries have issues statements lauding Disney for their preventative measures. In my mind, the ONLY thing Disney should be faulted for here is lack of signage warning of gators and other dangerous animals. I would also state that in no way would I assume that a lack of signage warning of gators would make me think that Disney has somehow eliminated all of the gators from the water. Maybe some idiots would, I know I wouldn't.
To me, this is a faultless incident but Disney will still end up paying the family a settlement and making changes.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:48 pm to ihometiger
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A friend of mine posted on facebook yesterday a picture of her 3 yr son standing in the exact same spot 30 minutes earlier
let her know her son was safe with TD statistics odds of mathematically zero.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:49 pm to FLObserver
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Look disney created this persona of a place to relax and let go.
And you can relax and let go...even though there isn't a 100% chance you can't get killed or injured.
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People come from all over the world not knowing about the local wildlife
maybe you are right. I guess I expect everyone to think like me. When I visit a place I usually read up on it and am generally curious about wildlife.
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They have people assigned to this type of thing(alligator control) and it failed.
I think the experts on alligators would disagree but I see your point. To me it is still just an incredible tragedy. The gator probably was stalking that beach because of the activity and there general curiosity so then a 2 yr old is walking in the water, making noise and just happens to be the size of something it thinks is prey. That could have played out 1000x and nothing ever happened...but it did and it sucks for the family and the people that were there.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:50 pm to Bmath
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Disney will settle with the family and will change a few things at the resort. However, the level of risk will not change in a statistically significant way.
Totally Agree. The sad fact is that this incident will now open the eyes of many to this hidden danger not only People from the Southeastern United States.
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:50 pm to Speedy G
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That's pretty much all people are asking for, and possibly all Disney was legally required to do to avoid liability.
I think that's fair. Some have argued that having such signs would scare away people that in all likely hood would be perfectly safe hanging out along the shore.
Perhaps I'm just a bit more risk tolerant, and I suspect that even had a sign been in place that a lot of people would assume that an alligator's presence would be unlikely.
Unfortunately, they are ambush predators, and you often can't see them until they are right on top of you.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:51 pm to ihometiger
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A friend of mine posted on facebook yesterday a picture of her 3 yr son standing in the exact same spot 30 minutes earlier as where the 2 year old who was killed.
Saw a news article about this, must have been your friend
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:51 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Right. It will still be statisticaly zero.
New motto: "Disney, Where Your Chances Of Dying Are Statistically Zero"
Or: "Disney, You're Far More Likely To Die On The Trip Here"
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:52 pm to GeauxColonels
The signage thing reminds me of all the rattlesnake warning signs all over Texas. Rest areas, hospitals, outside areas. Always had "Venomous reptiles in area, use caution" signs.
I guess Disney will have to add "Caution alligators" signs.
Sad all around, but people looking just to point blame are a YUGE part of what is wrong in this country.
I guess Disney will have to add "Caution alligators" signs.
Sad all around, but people looking just to point blame are a YUGE part of what is wrong in this country.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:53 pm to dualed
I'm sure this has been said, but it's not the gators, it's the beach.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:54 pm to dualed
Liberals want wild animals to be allowed to roam free from human interference.
Liberals want humans to be held accountable when wild animals are allowed to roam free.
The duality of being a dumbass folks.
Liberals want humans to be held accountable when wild animals are allowed to roam free.
The duality of being a dumbass folks.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:55 pm to Chad504boy
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let her know her son was safe with TD statistics odds of mathematically zero.
Do you wipe the sweat off your brow and say a prayer of thanks after getting out of your big scary automobile that carried you along the streets of death?
I know you are being a little sarcastic here, but EVERYTHING we do involves risks. It's all about perceived risk vs actual risk vs accepted risk.
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