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re: Why risk a fake moon landing?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:17 am to saintsfan1977
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:17 am to saintsfan1977
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The Van Allen radiation belt is a region around Earth that consists of highly energetic protons with energy exceeding 30,000,000 electron volts. The inner region is approximately 3,000 km (1,860 miles) above the terrestrial surface, while the outer region of maximum density is centred at an altitude of about 15,000 to 20,000 km (9,300 to 12,400 miles), though some estimates place it as far above the surface as six Earth radii (about 38,000 km [23,700 miles].
You can't find the amount of radiation within the Van Allen Belt, because it is declassified. How convenient.
But we totally travelled through it 54 years ago in a tin can with one in one million computing power of a cell phone. We did it so well, that we never went back with all of the advances in technology since. Oh, and they lost all of the resources regarding the trip. Poof just like that we lost our space guide on how to travel back. Okie doke.
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Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:21 am to Baton Rouge Bob
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You could send some unmanned rockets to the moon to dump debris to fool people that are too stupid to think of that !
So you are saying in 1969 we didn’t have the capability to send a manned rocket to the moon, but we had the capability to send an unmanned rocket? Only to put debris there to help cover the fake landing?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:22 am to 308
WLOTM GOAT TD band
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:25 am to 308
Everyone would be better served if they got out more and met some people that they have never met before and had some serious discussions.
One of my engineering profs worked on the Apollo project on the Saturn V first stage . He told us after Apollo 11 landed on the Moon that his job would end soon because going to the Moon was damn expensive even in 1969 and that damn Vietnam war was sucking up a lot of the fed budget.
Yes you have touched on the political aspect of the manned spaced program and that was the Space Shuttle Project. We had been to the Moon and politics demanded that we have a reusable (?) space plane that could never leave the Earth's orbit. That thing set our space program back at least 30 years.
Meet some people. Once I met John Young, the astronaut's astronaut. He flew on Gemini, twice on Apollo, landing on the Moon, and flew the Space shuttle I think twice. The stuff is real. Today we are just not really motivated but we really need to get moving. We should have been to Mars at least 10 years ago.
One of my engineering profs worked on the Apollo project on the Saturn V first stage . He told us after Apollo 11 landed on the Moon that his job would end soon because going to the Moon was damn expensive even in 1969 and that damn Vietnam war was sucking up a lot of the fed budget.
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NASA reportedly sent men to the moon six times between July 1968 and December 1972. Since then, no human has gone beyond low Earth orbit. I find that... very strange
Yes you have touched on the political aspect of the manned spaced program and that was the Space Shuttle Project. We had been to the Moon and politics demanded that we have a reusable (?) space plane that could never leave the Earth's orbit. That thing set our space program back at least 30 years.
Meet some people. Once I met John Young, the astronaut's astronaut. He flew on Gemini, twice on Apollo, landing on the Moon, and flew the Space shuttle I think twice. The stuff is real. Today we are just not really motivated but we really need to get moving. We should have been to Mars at least 10 years ago.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:36 am to catholictigerfan
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If there are manmade objects on the moon and we can shoot a laser and get readings back from those objects then clearly someone went to the moon.
Do you believe we have a rover on Mars and if so how did it get there? Did an astronaut hop off a lander and place it there? Clearly he must have using your logic, right?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:38 am to Beef Supreme
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Do you believe we have a rover on Mars and if so how did it get there? Did an astronaut hop off a lander and place it there? Clearly he must have using your logic, right?
Ok fine, but there is still evidence we sent something to the moon, and there are pictures of men on the moon carrying those mirrors.
I know the conspiracy theorists will claim those were hoax pictures. But to me it’s convincing, we have pictures of a man on the moon carrying a reflective surface which we can now bounce lasers off of and get readings back.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:40 am to 308
On the issue of astronauts receiving too high of a dose of radiation through the Van Allen Belts, NASA addresses this question:
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The total dosage for the trip is only 16 Rads in 68.1 minutes. Because 68.1 minutes is equal to 1.13
hours, his is equal to a dosage of 16 Rads / 1.13 hours = 14.0 Rads in one hour, which is well below
the 300 Rads in one hour that is considered to be lethal. Also, this radiation exposure would be for an
astronaut outside the spacecraft during the transit through the belts. The radiation shielding inside the
spacecraft cuts down the 14 Rads/hour exposure so that it is completely harmless.
LINK
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:45 am to Lieutenant Dan
quote:If you mean "classified" rather than "declassified," then Wikipedia is in BIG trouble because there is an entire article on that site describing the amount of radiation that's been measured in the Van Allen Belts. (Note plural because there is more than one belt around the Earth.)
You can't find the amount of radiation within the Van Allen Belt, because it is declassified.
The article even explains in detail the thickness of lead the particles can penetrate as measured from various locations within the Belts.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:53 am to MoarKilometers
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Artemis went and returned 366 days ago
Just as an FYI Artemis 1 was and unmanned mission around the moon and back to earth, Nov. 16, 2022 to Dec. 11, 2022.
Artemis 2 is will be a manned mission around the moon and is scheduled for a late November/early December 2024 launch.
Artemis 3 is scheduled for a manned mission to the south pole of the moon in 2025.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:44 am to SantaFe
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One of my engineering profs worked on the Apollo project on the Saturn V first stage .
My grandpa was chief engineer of the s-ivb, the 3rd stage.
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Meet some people. Once I met John Young, the astronaut's astronaut.
I met him and his 2 other passengers, at my grandpa's funeral, 30 years after the fact. Got to hear an Auburn baw give a great reenactment of what it was like watching my grandpa's work get pounded into the lunar surface at 6k mph.
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We should have been to Mars at least 10 years ago.
Space is rough on humans. Between the bone density waning and herpes flare ups
they lacked the funding the moon race had. Hell, our first space station was a retrofitted s-ivb. It crashed because we didn't have the slaw arse shuttle ready in time to push it back out into a non decaying orbit. Then came Reagan killing space station freedom budgets. Ironic af we had to partner with the ruskies because of this. Hand tying our low gravity experiments to spacelab for a couple decades was turrible, just turrible.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:15 am to SpencerRob
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Yes people and governments lie
So what other topic, other than the moon landing, has the U.S. govt not lied about? Are there any examples?
It seems that some people distrust the govt about EVERYthing except the moon landing. Pretty fascinating.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:19 am to SpencerRob
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It’s not debris, you idiot, you can see the equipment
Cool. The internet should be littered with pictures of this equipment, yes?
Certainly someone with a high powered telescope has posted some?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:34 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:35 am to STLDawg
Can't believe there are still idiots who believe it was faked. fricking morons. 
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:40 am to 308
The tracks are still visible on the moon with a strong telescope. It's not that hard to look up.
My nephew had wandered into the rabbit hole of the "moon landings were fake." I told him he could find some telescope pictures of the sites and their tracks. He took a look and that was the end of that rabbit hole.
My nephew had wandered into the rabbit hole of the "moon landings were fake." I told him he could find some telescope pictures of the sites and their tracks. He took a look and that was the end of that rabbit hole.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:40 am to HighRoller
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We still don’t have technology to get humans thru the radiation belt.
Mutation is a small price to pay for glory
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:56 am to Auburn1968
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The tracks are still visible on the moon with a strong telescope. It's not that hard to look up.
This is a lie that isn't even disputed. Seriously. "It's not that hard to look up" - have you tried looking it up?? Try it right now. It's easy. You'll find article after article from reputable pro moon landing sources stating you can view the landing sites but can't actually see any equipment or tracks because there's no telescope on earth that powerful.
This comment will be down voted but know that you're down voting something that not even NASA disputes.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:02 pm to Beef Supreme
So these are all fake?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:08 pm to Beef Supreme
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This is a lie that isn't even disputed. Seriously. "It's not that hard to look up" - have you tried looking it up??
The only way you can't find the telescope pictures of the moon landing sites is if you aren't really looking and you don't want to see.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:10 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
There is no wind on the moon, so the tracks are well preserved to this day.
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