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re: Why mass shootings are so polarizing

Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:49 pm to
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:49 pm to
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The first widely publicized school shooting occurred about 8 miles from where I grew up at Pearl high school in 1997.


I suppose “widely publicized” could be defined differently, and I’m by no means an expert on school shootings, but they have been around for a minute. I only remember this one in particular because of the famous “I don’t like Mondays” line: Wiki
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 9:50 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:50 pm to
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Guns are to the right what abortion is to the left. Both sides believe that the fundamental issue is personal liberty. Both sides
No. The right to self defense be it from invaders, criminals, or the government (but I repeat myself) is in no way comparable to the "right" to abortion. Every other beast on the planet will protect itself. Very few (any?) will kill their offspring for sport.
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:51 pm to
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But instead, half the people don’t want anything to be done because they “don’t think” it will do anything.

And you’re conveniently in that half that wants something done even though you have no fricking clue what that might be
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:51 pm to
I never took a position on moral equivalency. Are you saying that it is inaccurate for me to say that is how both sides frame their respective issue?
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:51 pm to
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How can we know the answer to this when we haven’t even tried any of the proposed solutions?


What solutions do you propose we try?
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:52 pm to
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This country has always been super violent, but school shootings are a new phenomenon.


Not on this scale it hasn't. Over half the 20th century was peaceful on the home front with isolated large scale events over periods of years, not weeks or days.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:53 pm to
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But instead, half the people don’t want anything to be done because they “don’t think” it will do anything.
Half the people don’t want anything to be done because they have learned that giving even an inch results in the other side trying to take a mile.

Let us say that the right does decide to concede ground on gun control.

If it doesn’t work, will the left give back what they took away?

Of course not. The next step would be demands for the right to give up even more ground.

The overarching issue is that every single legal gun owner knows that the ultimate goal is gun confiscation and bans.

That isn’t arguable.

And based on previous situations where giving an inch has resulted in a mile, the right is no longer willing to concede any ground.

That is the universe we live in.

No one on the right believes any of the progressives (mmmmbeer, The Spleen, OweO, etc.) when they say that confiscation isn’t the goal.

Why should they?
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 10:04 pm
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:53 pm to
Peace love and bluegrass is all we need.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:53 pm to
The University of Texas sniper is the oldest one I remember reading about in the 60s. But schools weren't really a common target until the past 15-20 years it seems. A few in the late 90s but Columbine was the first one I remember getting massive media coverage.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:56 pm to
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Kind of points to guns not being the issue, now doesn't it?

crickets
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:57 pm to
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I never took a position on moral equivalency.
Slicing that ham awfully thin.

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Are you saying that it is inaccurate for me to say that is how both sides frame their respective issue?
It's a best an oversimplification.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 9:58 pm
Posted by Centinel
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:58 pm to
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But schools weren't really a common target until the past 15-20 years it seems.


Hmm, I wonder why?

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Columbine was the first one I remember getting massive media coverage.
Posted by ScoopAndScore
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:59 pm to
The solution is not complicated. But it’s also not super easy. And that’s the problem - too many people want easy. We need a return to the traditional nuclear family. Where moms and dads sacrifice their own happiness for their children. And we also need to acknowledge that this great nation was built on a Christian foundation. And we need to emphasize that. If we return to Christian family values then this nation is great again. It’s not complicated.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31558 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:59 pm to
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The University of Texas sniper is the oldest one I remember reading about in the 60s. But schools weren't really a common target until the past 15-20 years it seems. A few in the late 90s but Columbine was the first one I remember getting massive media coverage.


And I ultimately think that media coverage is what drives them at this point. Mass shooting are an easy, nearly foolproof way for someone who feels ignored to go out “big”. If we had some modern day version of damnatio memoriae, I doubt we would see nearly as many.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:00 pm to
I completely agree that 24/7 national news coverage for days or weeks leads to more of this.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:00 pm to
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And I ultimately think that media coverage is what drives them at this point.

Yup
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:02 pm to
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And I ultimately think that media coverage is what drives them at this point. Mass shooting are an easy, nearly foolproof way for someone who feels ignored to go out “big”.


Ding Ding Ding

And I'll keep beating this drum, pointing out that we've always had easy access to firearms in this country, from the very beginning...to include fully auto ones and high explosives, canons, etc. prior to 1934. Yet mass shootings were an extremely rare event, with mass school shootings being even rarer, prior to around 30 years ago.

That is what we should focus on. What changed, and why?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:02 pm to
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It's a best an oversimplification.


Only if your construe my post to be something it isn’t intended to be. My post was responding directly to OP to answer the question of “why mass shootings are so polarizing”. Anything beyond that is just building strawmen.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:05 pm to
The left believes in limiting freedom and censorship. Lie, cheat, steal and kill anyone that opposes them.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:05 pm to
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Gonna take a wild guess and say you’re a white heterosexual Christian Republican male.

Are you open minded enough to accept there are people that don’t meet your normal? To accept that your unwillingness to understand and accept others outside of that normal makes you a part of the problem?

The problem isn’t the loss of the nuclear family. It’s not the loss of God. It’s the utter absence of understanding of one another, particularly those outside our own paradigms of normal.

I don’t condone or dismiss this shooter’s action. It’s incomprehensible. I hope he suffered and suffered slowly.


It's crazy to think that people could hold a belief this ridiculous. You are saying that everyone else is the problem, because they just want to live their life and not go out of their way to understand the psychopath. People like you are why this will never stop. Because you refuse to hold the individual responsible for their actions and always look to blame others.
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