re: Why is the job market so crappy right now?

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Job market sucks right now

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This is isolated to industry. You can get a healthcare job in less than 8 hours.

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I do recruiting for many different industries at multiple levels. A huge percentage of the resumes we get are spam or people that obviously did not read the posting. Also resumes are poorly constructed and do not highlight their best attributes. IT resumes are the worst. I literally got a resume that was 13 pages long from one person. I couldn't skim it either, as he had stuff sprinkled throughout. Also job hopping is too accepted nowadays. I speak with people all the time, 10+ years into their career, that have never worked a job longer than a year. Plus they will have tons of gaps. How is that appealing to an employer? They all say that they want long term security, but will jump to another company for less than a 10% bump. It's a hard sell..

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As a small business owner this. Add to that people have incredibly inflated self worths early on. I just hired a 30 year old SEC graduate that’s almost worthless and keeps thinking her job is too hard, I’m less than 10 years older than her.

I know I’m on the opposite end of this as when I graduated college from 2008-2012 college graduates without a STEM degree were working retail just to pay bills, but the kids these days have laughable work schedule and pay expectations. I understand inflation but that doesn’t mean everyone deserves $75k a year working 32 hours a week in an entry level position.

Learn to not code.

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Even 2 is stupid. There is no reason you can't get enough information out of 1 interview that you need to waste everyone's time with a second It's just bs to make people think their job as a hiring manager is important

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If you want a good fit 2-3 should be normal. I see interviews as going both ways, it’s like saying I want to find a long term gf in 1-2 hours. There’s just too much to discuss.

I usually do a 5-10 min phone call to discuss my job to make sure it fits before wasting time on an interview for both parties.

Then a 1 person interview for 30-60 mins to go over the basics.

Then a 2-3 person team/ dept interview.

Now, there’s really no reason if you are a bigger company you can’t knock out 2-3 rounds in the same day for everyone’s sake.

You know!

I find it interesting the people complaining about the job market are mostly WFH jobs that thought they were irreplaceable. Outside of accountants, most of the other jobs posted are work on site jobs from project management to medical to engineering to votech jobs.

ETA: if I had a son I’d be pushing hard to work a trades job while getting a basic business degree. Work the trades for 5-10 years and then start your own business. That could be road building/ civil engineering type of work. I know it may not be booming forever but staying low in debt and building slow you will be doing damn well by the time you are 50.

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How many jobs and companies have they worked for in those 5 years?

If I see a resume for someone who doesn’t stay put for more than 4-6 years, I throw it in the trash.

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How are you supposed to get a significant raise without changing jobs?

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How many jobs and companies have they worked for in those 5 years?


If I see a resume for someone who doesn’t stay put for more than 4-6 years, I throw it in the trash.

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You sound like you are living in 1998, as opposed to 2024 .

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How are you supposed to get a significant raise without changing jobs?

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By keeping your head down, learning something about the company, cross departmental training, and promotions throughout the years.

What is a company going to gain out of someone leaving after a year?

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By keeping your head down, learning something about the company, cross departmental training, and promotions throughout the years.

What is a company going to gain out of someone leaving after a year?

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Well, nothing after a year. In 4 or 5, if they've done well with their job and are continuing to improve their productivity and efficiency, yeah, expect them to test the market to gage their worth.

Employers tend to be like the cable company; they won't take care of you if you don't show them what you can get elsewhere. Some are better than others and actually try to keep up with the market. Retaining good talent is cheaper than training up new hires.

There's nothing wrong with going to get what you are worth, but I'd also argue is important to assess the whole package. The salary amount isn't everything. Benefits package workplace culture, and even familiarity with your current employer count for something. It would be hard for me to leave now since I have great flexibility with managing my time.