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Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:01 pm to volod
I like that you question and think outside of the box. Some of these shite stains that say tl;dr are the issues as they won't even see another person's side and automatically judge. I once had a Sig quote that said "none are so blind as those who will not see"
Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:16 pm to volod
Look, if the Gov. gets involved writing the checks then they will want "diversity" results. Which means the programs will be so watered down that the end product will not meet the original goal. It will be a bunch of worthless degrees.
I met a dude that lived four years in Greece. He told me that the rich go to college at "this" school and everyone else goes to "that" school. Guess who is in the office and who is digging ditches?
I met a dude that lived four years in Greece. He told me that the rich go to college at "this" school and everyone else goes to "that" school. Guess who is in the office and who is digging ditches?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:43 pm to BiggerBear
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This is also meaningless. Not all degrees are equal. More MD's would probably be a very good thing. More lawyers, not so much. Does that make the degree less valuable? And if you are looking at it from a policy point of view, why would you care if any particular degreed position earned less money if this meant that average incomes increased for those degree holders?
BiggerBear, you made a good point. Let me clarify.
If the standards of achievement stay where they are, then there is no reason to fear for the value of more marketable degrees.
The REAL problem (based on your point) would be if they lowered the academic requirements based on college becoming free. Once the GOVT gets involved they make more changes than required. A quote summarizes this point
If everyone had an MD in medicine, they would be working minimum wage jobs. The reason they are paid the best salaries is because they have a skill set that you can't just get in a week of training (fast food, etc.)
One of the biggest motivators I had in school was knowing that the longer I was there, the more $$ I would have to pay back. Also, I knew that major did matter in the long run. A free system would destroy that urgency. Many others said it best: it basically becomes an extension of high school and will be treated as such
I have nothing against a more educated population. But lets be real, this is not about just "getting college education". This is an attempt to try to get people working into jobs so that they can better take care of themselves. The ignored point is that problems like this can be solved at the vocational level.
Furthermore, job creation is what we should be looking at. Not one of these liberals brings up the fact that there are thousands of people who get degrees but are employed in low end jobs that require them. We need people educated with skill sets that will benefit the economy.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:44 pm to volod
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:03 pm to volod
I think free college is good for public sector as an incentive. Now these need to be in demand jobs like engineering. You say that engineers are plentiful however, we lose engineers there minute they get their PE for money. There needs to be more incentive to stay so that we can keep the good ones. Now I'm not saying that all engineers in the state and local government are bad, I know a good bit that money isn't a real issue and they just want to better the state and be an actual civil servant. However, a majority chase the money.
I believe that an oversaturation of degrees creates competition. It use to "seem" that lawyers were almost guaranteed to get money out of college. Not so much anymore.
I'm kind of rambling. I can't seem to get coherent thought on mobile version lol
I believe that an oversaturation of degrees creates competition. It use to "seem" that lawyers were almost guaranteed to get money out of college. Not so much anymore.
I'm kind of rambling. I can't seem to get coherent thought on mobile version lol
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:04 pm to volod
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Sorry for the rant, but I wanted to give my opinion on this.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:18 pm to volod
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If the standards of achievement stay where they are, then there is no reason to fear for the value of more marketable degrees.
In general agreement with this, but I would delete the word "marketable." After all, we really can't have the government telling people what degrees to get. If they want degrees in English Literature and they are qualified, so be it.
As to MDs and other "more difficult" degrees, not everyone will get one, even if they are free, as long as only the qualified go to med school and only the qualified get a degree. Of course, this is circumvented every day by inferior med schools in the Caribbean and elsewhere.
Just don't lower the standards and then it doesn't matter whether the student has to pay or not.
Actually getting the revenue to pay for all those degrees is a separate issue. There are other, arguably more pressing, concerns.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:58 pm to volod
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