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re: Why do we inject people for death row inmates?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 3:12 am to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 9/23/20 at 3:12 am to DavidTheGnome
It's as much for the people who have to witness and carry it out as for the condemned individual. Any normal person is repelled at seeing another human suffer, even one who deserves it. Most of the methods used throughout human history have been grotesque at best, sadistic at worst. This is intended to make the process clinical and seemingly painless, although there have been incidents of botched injections. It gives those who carry it out, as well as society at large, some peace of mind.
It's the same reason the Nazis evolved from mass shootings to the gas chamber. The more direct methods took too much of a psychological toll on the perpetrators.
I am not equating the two, just saying the motivation was similar.
It's the same reason the Nazis evolved from mass shootings to the gas chamber. The more direct methods took too much of a psychological toll on the perpetrators.
I am not equating the two, just saying the motivation was similar.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 3:15 am
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 4:18 am to RonFNSwanson
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Guillotine always seemed like a quick, painless way to go. I vote we bring that back.
When did ever use this method of execution in the United States ?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:05 am to ElderTiger
Y'all need to watch the series on Netflix about innocent people on death row. The prosecutors are the worst at trying to get a conviction by any means necessary. Then when the lawyers have 100% proof they are innocent they still fight it to the very end. There was a black prosecutor in Philadelphia that was known for shady convictions and locking up innocent people.
Ive since changed my mind about every murder conviction getting the death penalty. There would have been several on that show die innocent men.
Ive since changed my mind about every murder conviction getting the death penalty. There would have been several on that show die innocent men.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 6:12 am to DavidTheGnome
As an RN, I can’t count how many pts I have seen that came in after an unsuccessful “gun to the head” suicide attempt. Side of the head, face, in the mouth, shotgun, pistol, rifle... doesnt matter. Only way to do it where you know it works for sure is to have yourself fall off a high bridge after, if the impact doesnt kill, you at least drown
Posted on 9/23/20 at 6:14 am to el Gaucho
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It’s why rates of stress and ptsd are so high in the police force
So they are stressed out bc they aren’t allowed to kill people? Maybe they should not be cops then.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 6:44 am
Posted on 9/23/20 at 6:18 am to WestCoastAg
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people we have executed in this country were actually innocent of their crimes
every swingin dick on death row is guilt of something...
Posted on 9/23/20 at 6:30 am to gthog61
Well, we can track how many inmates who were on death row, scheduled to die that were later exonerated.
Apparently there were 167 since 1973. That doesn't count any that have met their end at the hands of a murderous government who were innocent.
Apparently there were 167 since 1973. That doesn't count any that have met their end at the hands of a murderous government who were innocent.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 6:43 am to Rougaroux
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As an RN, I can’t count how many pts I have seen that came in after an unsuccessful “gun to the head” suicide attempt. Side of the head, face, in the mouth, shotgun, pistol, rifle... doesnt matter.
There’s ways to insure it kills them, most people that survive either are nervous and don’t shoot the right place or it’s too small of a gun. Take something like a shotgun slug or go bigger and use a .50 cal or 20 mm to the back of the head and they aren’t surviving not having a head any longer.
I agree I don’t believe in capital punishment for questionable cases, one or 2 murders without clear ‘proof’. But there’s plenty of cases when we know dang well the person did it and most often they are guilty of multiple crimes.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 6:50 am to DavidTheGnome
If it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone murdered a person then the murder should get killed the same way they killed their victim.
No damn mercy at all. Who gives a shite if a murderous nut job that tortured someone before they killed them gets a humane death.
No damn mercy at all. Who gives a shite if a murderous nut job that tortured someone before they killed them gets a humane death.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 8:37 am to carhartt
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If it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone murdered a person
What is “shadow of a doubt? Is it more than the judicial standard of “reasonable doubt?” And who gets to decide the difference between these 2 standards of doubt?
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the murder should get killed the same way they killed their victim.
As a father, I can certainly understand this sentiment. If someone were to (I can’t even have this thought with that word out in the universe) perpetrate that crime against my children, I would want to beat them to death with my bare hands.
I may even kill someone else in the same jurisdiction just in the hope of getting sent to the same prison as them so I could kill them there. That’s why it’s probably not a idea to have father—or mother—with a murdered child making these decisions. They should be made without passion.
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Who gives a shite if a murderous nut job that tortured someone before they killed them gets a humane death.
James Madison. George Washington. And all the other Founding Fathers of this nation when they wrote the 8th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Which states:
Amendment 8
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Obviously “cruel and unusual punishments” is wee bit vague and somewhat open to interpretation, which the courts have done in the last 230 years since. And, arbitrary as you may think them to be, precedents have been set with their interpretations.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 8:52 am to Jim Rockford
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It's as much for the people who have to witness and carry it out as for the condemned individual. Any normal person is repelled at seeing another human suffer, even one who deserves it. Most of the methods used throughout human history have been grotesque at best, sadistic at worst. This is intended to make the process clinical and seemingly painless, although there have been incidents of botched injections. It gives those who carry it out, as well as society at large, some peace of mind.
I totally agree and am surprised it took till page 5 for someone to mention the other people involved and how some of the previous methods would take a tremendous psychological toll on them. You’ve got the warden, executioner, and oftentimes the families of both the victim and the convicted in that room, watching that take place.
I think the Founders were just protecting the convicted’s rights with the 8th, but there’s no reason not to apply that same standard and spirit for those present. Especially considering they are innocent and already the ones most profoundly affected by the particular act that got them there. And this is not some liberal interpretation, taking liberties with the Amendment. Just because the witnesses are given that right of avoiding “cruel and unusual punishment” doesn’t mean it’s the default to so the opposite. Just as if the 8th didn’t exist to protect the convict from “cruel and unusual punishment” wouldn’t mean we HAD TO inflict it.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 8:57 am to 225bred
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When found guilty and sentenced to death, inmates should be publicly hung within 72 hours of their sentence
I'm sure you'd feel the same way if your family member had been wrongly convicted of something.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 8:58 am to offshoretrash
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Y'all need to watch the series on Netflix about innocent people on death row. The prosecutors are the worst at trying to get a conviction by any means necessary. Then when the lawyers have 100% proof they are innocent they still fight it to the very end. There was a black prosecutor in Philadelphia that was known for shady convictions and locking up innocent people.
Ive since changed my mind about every murder conviction getting the death penalty. There would have been several on that show die innocent men.
If you watch that series and don't come away with at least questioning the "justice" system in some of these cases, you have no brain or heart. Maybe you're missing both.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 8:59 am to slacker130
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If you watch that series and don't come away with at least questioning the "justice" system in some of these cases, you have no brain
You just described most of the gung-ho pro-death penalty crowd.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 9:01 am to Hot Carl
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I totally agree and am surprised it took till page 5 for someone to mention the other people involved and how some of the previous methods would take a tremendous psychological toll on them. You’ve got the warden, executioner, and oftentimes the families of both the victim and the convicted in that room, watching that take place.
I had a family member(distant cousin) murdered years ago. The killer was convicted of killing 3 people and sentenced to death. My family spoke at the sentencing hearing against his execution. The other 2 families didn't show up for the sentencing hearing. Didn't matter, he was sentenced to death. The day of his execution just re-opened a lot of those wounds for my cousin's immediate family, and provided them no sense of peace or justice.
It's a barbaric practice that needs to stop.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 9:03 am to The Spleen
It's amazing how people who say everything should be privatized because the government is incompetent support the government's ability to kill people and think the process should be sped up even.
Just goes to show you how little critical thinking there is left in this country.
Just goes to show you how little critical thinking there is left in this country.
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