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re: Why do the police give us a ticket for not wearing seatbelts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:21 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:21 am to TeddyPadillac
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Like i said, your "friend" wasnt' going under 20mph if that was the case, and driver must have been under 5'2" driving an older vehicle that didn't allow the seat to go up to be at a safer sitting position from the steering wheel.
I was right in my car right next to him when it happened. But you must know better.
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and driver must have been under 5'2" driving an older vehicle that didn't allow the seat to go up to be at a safer sitting position from the steering wheel.
Keep digging for something to change the fact that this lady died from a minor wreck because she wasn't wearing a seat belt.
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:38 am to WhiskeyThrottle
quote:There are many situations where a seatbelt can help you maintain or regain control. A side impact puts you into a spin that would throw you into the passenger seat if you weren't buckled. If you're buckled, at least you can hit the brakes. Maybe you hit a curb or jump a ditch and your head slams the ceiling, knocking you out. Might not happen if you're buckled, and you can stop the vehicle. Maybe being buckled up just stops your dumb arse from smashing into your passengers in an accident. It doesn't matter how rare you think these events are, they happen every day. And in almost every case, it is better for everyone if you are buckled.
Umm. If you're in a situation where you'd otherwise be ejected, you already don't have any control of your vehicle.
Can you think of a single situation where you, your passengers, and others on the road are SAFER because you are not buckled?
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:46 am to phunkatron
quote:Did you read the rest of the post? You didn't read the rest of the post.quote:That isnt how momentum works.
As for school buses, the kids are actually safer without seatbelts.
If the only factor was how protected the kids are during the actual collision, then yes obviously they would be safer wearing seatbelts. However, because of the size of buses, the typical speeds they travel, and the fact that they are brightly colored and have lights, etc, the risk of injury in a collision is far outweighed by the risk of kids being trapped by seatbelts during other events like fires or being submerged.
Add to that the fact that you can't possibly get dozens of kids to buckle up, combined with the potential to use them as weapons, the kids are much, much safer without seatbelts.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:48 am to LNCHBOX
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I was right in my car right next to him when it happened. But you must know better.
Maybe it happened exactly like you explained, but can you not see how crazy it sounds? someone is hit from behind by someone going under 20mph and somehow hits their head on the steering wheel (next time you're in your car see how difficult it would be to hit your head on the steering wheel assuming you are sitting correctly and the steering wheel is positioned correctly) with so much force it makes them unconscious, so for some reason their foot stays on the accelerator for long and hard enough to gain enough speed to run into a tree with enough impact to die from it?
Can you not see how unbelievably bizarre that sounds, and is no where near the norm of what happens when you're hit from behind when not wearing a seatbelt at 20mph?
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Keep digging for something to change the fact that this lady died from a minor wreck because she wasn't wearing a seat belt.
Yeah that sucks. i'm assuming she was an old lady who probably was on the cusp of probably shouldn't be driving anymore. Still sucks, but there's a lot of people driving on the road that shouldn't be. You should have to take driving tests when you get older to deem if you should still be driving or not.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:49 am to LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:49 am to brmark70816
Wow
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:51 am to TeddyPadillac
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Maybe it happened exactly like you explained, but can you not see how crazy it sounds?
I'm not sure what is crazy sounding about the force of a rear end collision moving an unrestrained driver. It's not crazy at all.
This minor wreck shouldn't have had a fatality, but it did.
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Yeah that sucks. i'm assuming she was an old lady who probably was on the cusp of probably shouldn't be driving anymore. Still sucks, but there's a lot of people driving on the road that shouldn't be. You should have to take driving tests when you get older to deem if you should still be driving or not.
I'm really not getting what you're dding in this thread. The guy I posted this story to was trying to sell me that seat belts don't matter for controlling a vehicle in a wreck. My story clearly shows that to be false.
ETA: Just for reference:
quote:This was the reason I posted. That's a BS statement.
So the impact would be strong enough where a seatbelt wouldn't matter.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:18 am to brmark70816
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You only have to wear seat belts in the front seat
Not in Alabama. People in the backseat have to wear one as well.
The seatbelt laws aren't just to protect the individual. It's also to protect the other people in the vehicle, and to reduce the time the crash takes to be resolved. If there is a death or serious injury, it requires more time from the police, paramedics, fire department, and affects traffic for a longer duration. Preventing fatalities and lowering the severity of crashes is in the public's interest.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:32 am to LNCHBOX
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I'm not sure what is crazy sounding about the force of a rear end collision moving an unrestrained driver. It's not crazy at all.
To the point you hit your head on the steering wheel with enough force to knock you out? yeah it is at 20mph.
so much out of the ordinary had to happen for your story to make sense. And i'm not denying it happen that way, just that it's incredibly odd.
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I'm really not getting what you're dding in this thread. The guy I posted this story to was trying to sell me that seat belts don't matter for controlling a vehicle in a wreck. My story clearly shows that to be false.
And the point stands, that they do not matter, b/c you're extremely rare one off story is an exception, and no where near the norm.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:38 am to TeddyPadillac
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To the point you hit your head on the steering wheel with enough force to knock you out?
I didn't say she was knocked out in this case. I did say she lost control of the vehicle when she shouldn't have. I feel like your're playing semantics just o argue something that's not particularly relevant.
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that they do not matter, b/c you're extremely rare one off story is an exception, and no where near the norm.
Whatever man. 
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:43 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:It affects my insurance rates. I don't care if a dumbass gets himself killed. I just don't want to pay for it. Nor do I want him killing anyone else because he died in the accident. It's just better in all cases if no one dies.
If someone wants to be dumb enough to not wear one, that's their problem, same for helmets with a motorbike. Their actions by not wearing a seatbelt or helmet does not affect anyone else in the case of an accident,
quote:How does it not make sense?
regardless of the silly bump your head on the steering wheel argument which makes no sense.
SO MUCH happens in a collision. People get knocked unconscious or die. Yes, even in seemingly minor accidents. Dead and unconscious drivers cannot control or stop the vehicle. Seatbelts help to prevent people from dying or getting knocked out.
Or let's go extreme. What if the driver is ejected from the vehicle and causes a second accident? I can do this all day. It is absolutely safer for EVERYONE ELSE if YOU buckle up.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:50 am to Byrdybyrd05
$$$$
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:00 am to Korkstand
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It affects my insurance rates
no it doesn't. That in no way is why we pay such a high premium in LA. quote:
It's just better in all cases if no one dies.
Obviously. so just wear your seatbelt and don't worry about what other idiots do.
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Or let's go extreme. What if the driver is ejected from the vehicle and causes a second accident? I can do this all day.
What if some object in your car is ejected and causes another accident? should we have to strap in everything in the car? I can play stupid extremes that make no sense all day too.
No on is going to argue against that everyone should wear a seatbelt?
The point is it should not be something that is required by law and ticketed for b/c it's not something that affects the personal safety of others when the moron doesn't wear one, and you two giving these 0.01% instances isn't an argument to keep it a law.
It should be a law that you can't eat while you drive, and you can't drink anything while you drive, and you can't talk to anyone while you drive, and you can't put your phone/gps mounted in your field of vision like a dumbass. These are all things that have caused way more harm to others than someone other than yourself not wearing a seatbelt.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:28 am to Korkstand
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There are many situations where a seatbelt can help you maintain or regain control. A side impact puts you into a spin that would throw you into the passenger seat if you weren't buckled. If you're buckled, at least you can hit the brakes. Maybe you hit a curb or jump a ditch and your head slams the ceiling, knocking you out. Might not happen if you're buckled, and you can stop the vehicle. Maybe being buckled up just stops your dumb arse from smashing into your passengers in an accident. It doesn't matter how rare you think these events are, they happen every day
Ridiculous
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it is better for everyone if you are buckled.
Can you think of a single situation where you, your passengers, and others on the road are SAFER because you are not buckled?
Agree
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:31 am to TeddyPadillac
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The point is it should not be something that is required by law and ticketed for b/c it's not something that affects the personal safety of others when the moron doesn't wear one
I will strongly disagree on the first part and call bullshite on the 2nd part.
Not only can you harm other people in the car if you are not wearing a seatbelt, but let's say you are seriously injured or killed in the wreck. Now it may take at least an extra 20 minutes, at least, to clear the wreck because of you. That is extra time where you are affecting traffic, increasing the chances of secondary crashes. Now you are affecting the personal safety of people in other vehicles.
On top of that, you are making the police work on your crash instead of responding to other calls, the ambulance has to help your dumb arse instead of someone else, you're wasting other people's money by making them sit in traffic longer, etc.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:39 am to TeddyPadillac
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should we have to strap in everything in the car?
If it is large/heavy enough to break through a window or seriously injure someone in the car, then it should be strapped down or put in the trunk.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:50 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:There are many reasons why we pay high rates in LA. But if you don't think fatalities are a factor, I don't know what to tell you.
no it doesn't. That in no way is why we pay such a high premium in LA.
quote:Who is carrying around shite in their car that could cause an accident if ejected? As for stuff in the bed of a truck, it absolutely should be strapped down.
What if some object in your car is ejected and causes another accident? should we have to strap in everything in the car?
quote:It was just an example. If you add up all the unlikely possibilities that could result from someone not being buckled, you end up with a significant number.
I can play stupid extremes that make no sense all day too.
quote:Let's just say that this 0.01% figure that you made up is accurate. That would still happen twice a day in the US. However, it seems more likely that the real figure is one or two orders of magnitude higher than that. In anything less than a catastrophic accident, which would be the vast majority of accidents, a buckled driver has a much better chance of avoiding further damage than an unbuckled one. There is just no argument against this.
you two giving these 0.01% instances isn't an argument to keep it a law.
Let's do another hypothetical that happens every single day: you have to swerve around something (an item fell off a truck, an accident in front of you, whatever) and into the median, which in many cases around here is a ditch. What are the chances that you maintain control of your vehicle should you cross the median and get into oncoming traffic? If I'm buckled up, I'd say my chances are pretty good of staying in my seat and at the very least stopping the vehicle. If I'm not buckled, chances are pretty good that I either leave my seat or am injured when I jump that ditch in the median, and there is no telling what happens after that. My passengers are fricked, as well as the people coming the other way. Like I said, we can imagine plausible examples like this all day.
What are the chances that I hurt someone if I shoot a gun in my neighborhood? Say straight up into the air. So low that it's almost impossible, right? Should that be legal?
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:55 am to pvilleguru
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Not only can you harm other people in the car if you are not wearing a seatbelt, but let's say you are seriously injured or killed in the wreck. Now it may take at least an extra 20 minutes, at least, to clear the wreck because of you. That is extra time where you are affecting traffic, increasing the chances of secondary crashes. Now you are affecting the personal safety of people in other vehicles.
haha ok. Let's ticket people for stopping on the side of the interstate too while we are at it. Let's stop police cars from hanging out on the shoulder too shooting radar b/c all that does is cause drivers to act like idiots an endanger everyone around them.
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On top of that, you are making the police work on your crash instead of responding to other calls, the ambulance has to help your dumb arse instead of someone else, you're wasting other people's money by making them sit in traffic longer, etc.
So you want to go with the police's time is important. ok. i agree. so stop wasting time giving seat belt tickets.
the arguments you guys have on how this affects others is just ridiculous.
What is the most common reason those die in a crash? I don't know the answer, but if i had to guess, head trauma would be at or near the top. So why don't we all wear some kind of protective head gear when we drive? why isn't that a law?
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:57 am to Geauxboy
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Ridiculous
I think many of you have never been in an accident. It is EASY to leave your seat if you are not buckled, even at relatively low speeds.
A moving vehicle with a driver, and one that is conscious, is much safer than a moving vehicle without one. It's just that simple. Everyone else is safer if YOU are buckled up. It is unbelievable that anyone would try to argue against this obvious fact.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 12:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
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So you want to go with the police's time is important. ok. i agree. so stop wasting time giving seat belt tickets.
Pretty sure it's a secondary ticket in most places.
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Let's ticket people for stopping on the side of the interstate too while we are at it
You aren't affecting traffic if you are actually on the shoulder.
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Let's stop police cars from hanging out on the shoulder too shooting radar b/c all that does is cause drivers to act like idiots an endanger everyone around them.
That just changes people's speed by 5-10mph temporarily. Secondary crashes happen way, way more often than a crash because of a cop with a radar gun. Secondary crashes are extremely common.
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What is the most common reason those die in a crash? I don't know the answer, but if i had to guess, head trauma would be at or near the top.
You know what helps prevent head trauma? Seatbelts.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 12:16 pm
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