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re: Why do poor people smoke, drink and do drugs

Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:24 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:24 am to
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Eh, generally speaking, that's a BS excuse. Genetics has NOTHING to do with it.


This is nonsense. You should look up IQs for most people in poverty. Unless you want to argue that genetics has nothing to do with IQ?

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That sounds like a racist remark to me. You saying that more blacks tend to be poor because of their race?


Everything is racist.



This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 8:25 am
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:24 am to
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That sounds like a racist remark to me. You saying that more blacks tend to be poor because of their race?


Genetics cover a large spectrum of things, including race. You chose to pick out race. Don’t be a worthless liberal.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:25 am to
There's some extent of nature to the equation. What extent? Who knows. But there are some people out there who just never would have the aptitude for some types of professions.

I think I might be willing to make a friendly wager with you to try to work this out though.

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:26 am to
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if you are able bodied and cannot provide for yourself in this country it’s because you made a choice not to.


Sure.

If you want to make a reductionist argument, go ahead.

I prefer to look at the drivers behind those choices though.
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:30 am to
Then you are getting close to excusing an entire socioeconomic group from personal responsibility. I am not willing to do that.

Letting people believe that they are not personally responsible for their own problems is what will bring this country down
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:34 am to
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Then you are getting close to excusing an entire socioeconomic group from personal responsibility. I am not willing to do that.


I'm not excusing anything. People still need to live and thrive within the rules society determines.


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Letting people believe that they are not personally responsible for their own problems is what will bring this country down


Or if people realized how much environment and genetics affected their lives and their offspring's lives, maybe they would be more aware of the choices they make?

Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:37 am to
There's a balance between what you are saying and what you are projecting that he is saying. People are responsible for their own decisions ultimately, but you can also understand why people make the decisions that they do. It isn't all willful. In this life there are so many things that are out of our control as individuals. Just think how different your own life would be with a few minor changes.
Posted by Lsuhack1
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:40 am to
ask Hank.
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:44 am to
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Or if people realized how much environment and genetics affected their lives and their offspring's lives, maybe they would be more aware of the choices they make


Yes, I agree that if you grow up in an environment where drug use and a poor standard of living is the norm then you are more likely to follow that path.
Posted by Barbellthor
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:49 am to
It's not that poors choose to do that; it's that they're poor because they do that.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:51 am to
Poor decision making in general

Escape from reality.
Posted by Shwapp
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:54 am to
To help cope with being poor.
Posted by Kraut Dawg
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:54 am to
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Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:55 am to
You missed my point entirely.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:01 am to
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Genetics determine their ability to get out of poverty


Are you saying that poor demographics have low iq? Sounds like you’re becoming a republican
Posted by Hangover Haven
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:02 am to
Because "big tobacco" makes them...

Didn't you see the commercials...?
Posted by windshieldman
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:02 am to
As someone who has been without much money and technically “poor,” and use to smoke and I have a tattoo. It’s the environment you are in when younger. I never did hard drugs, really only did weed back in the day. But everybody you hang out with smokes or dips, you start doing it, you become addicted, therefore even when you get older you still smoke and drink, and you are still poor. Bottom line is you try it b/c everyone else is doing it, you get addicted, you can’t stop.

There will be some people who smoked 3 cigarettes a day for 2 years that will say if they could quit anyone can, those people you ignore. Also the guy who smoked for 30 years and quit after he retired. The one’s to listen to are the one’s who smoked 2-3 packs a day for 10 plus years and were able to quit while still working, around other smokers daily and can still keep from lighting up.

Cigarette addiction will grab ahold of you more than anything else in life can. Ive raised 4 kids, worked 3 jobs at once, been through close deaths with loved ones, nothing, at least to me, compares to quitting smoking. Back then, I’d gladly go without supper to keep my smokes. To be clear, I don’t mean a dying loved one wasn’t more brutal to deal with, but you can kinda be ok after a few days, weeks, or months, depending on who it was that died obviously. I quit smoking 7-8 years ago and still think about it daily/
Posted by scott8811
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:04 am to
good decisions usually happen in sequence
Posted by PCRammer
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:08 am to
Poorer people tend to make bad decisions that have led to them being poor...dropping out of school, getting preggo as a teen, etc.

The above, on average, is mutually inclusive with making other bad choices including, smoking and drugs.

Posted by T
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:19 am to
There's no hope with dope.
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