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re: Why do people think electric cars are somehow better for the environment?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:01 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:01 am to Darth_Vader
Nobody has ever told me what we are going to do with those batteries when they die.
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:01 am to Tigeralum2008
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That cost of gasoline goes up at a greater rate than electricity when the price of oil increases.
That's because there currently isn't a heavy reliance on an electricity market for transportation. Also, countries with large deposits of lithium will become the new OPEC and will control the vital resources that make these vehicles function
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:01 am to BRbornandraised
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Unbiased Video on the Subject
This guy's youtube channel is very informative for a wide range of vehicle questions.
Nice video. Only one problem though. He’s only looking at the emissions impact of electric cars. That’s only the tip of the iceberg.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:02 am to J Murdah
quote:Of course.
I'm ignorant on electric vehicles. Do they still use motor oil?
It is practically impossible to removal all oil from our society.
Too many products require it in some form.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:02 am to J Murdah
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I'm ignorant on electric vehicles. Do they still use motor oil?
That's another thing, no oil changes have pushed the "cost of ownership" down to .03-.04 per mile compared to .06/mi on gas vehicles
Say nothing of the environmental impact of created new motor oil as well as disposing the used oil.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:02 am to mofungoo
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The killer for electric cars is their limited range, about 250 miles maximum, with 45 minute times for a full charge.
Don't forget the 15K foot mountain of batteries that they'll create sooner than you think
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:03 am to Darth_Vader
1. I think they look cool. They are awkward and weird just like me.
2. They are financially cheap on the user's end. My local train station offers free charging.
I don't drive one, but I might go for the BMW one since its depreciated to the point where it financially makes sense. On topic, they can be eco friendly IF the local power generation sources are.
As it stands now, not so much. We'll get there as science catches up.
2. They are financially cheap on the user's end. My local train station offers free charging.
I don't drive one, but I might go for the BMW one since its depreciated to the point where it financially makes sense. On topic, they can be eco friendly IF the local power generation sources are.
As it stands now, not so much. We'll get there as science catches up.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:04 am to Darth_Vader
Electricity comes from unicorn farts. And unicorn farts are good for the environment.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:04 am to Darth_Vader
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And if everyone switched to these electric vehicles then we’re going to need a whole lot more power plants, far more tham wind or solar could support
The plug, when installed to your house, is the same as a dryer or range plug.
I don't think those in every house have been draining this grid
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:04 am to Darth_Vader
I down voted because a Prius isn't noise pollution like some overcompensating tiny motorcycle is. And I've never seen a guy drivng a Volt in leather assless chaps. Talk about gay 
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:04 am to Darth_Vader
Your argument only makes sense if you believe that no innovations will come into existence in the near future to solve a lot of the problems you mention in your OP.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:06 am to mofungoo
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The killer for electric cars is their limited range, about 250 miles maximum, with 45 minute times for a full charge. This makes these vehicles useless for long trips and suitable for town cars only.
Tesla just discontinued those models and after this year the base model will be 300+ miles, they also have models that go over 600 miles
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:08 am
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:06 am to musick
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The plug, when installed to your house, is the same as a dryer or range plug.
I don't think those in every house have been draining this grid
I imagine cars get used far more than dryers or stoves by households.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:07 am to CoachChappy
They have to be contained in a landfill. As long as they aren't just buried in the dirt, you don't have problems.
With that said, battery tech would evolve if a critical mass of these things got sold. Volume would trigger R&D investment.
With that said, battery tech would evolve if a critical mass of these things got sold. Volume would trigger R&D investment.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:08 am to Salmon
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Your argument only makes sense if you believe that no innovations will come into existence in the near future to solve a lot of the problems you mention in your OP.
Are you aware of any innovations coming into existence to solve the problems I mentioned?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:09 am to lsu13lsu
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I imagine cars get used far more than dryers or stoves by households.
Starting with the base model now, 300 miles per 45 minute charge.
They might be used less than dryers or stoves, ovens
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:09 am to Darth_Vader
What do you mean? He is looking at emissions including production emissions. I get the recycling problem and lithium ion mining. He addresses the lithium mining argument and the effects on the earth from an ecological standpoint. He goes into the battery recycling arguments in another video I had watched. You'll have to find it on his channel.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:09 am to musick
quote:It still has somewhat of an issue in rechargability rate, unless that was fixed as well.
Tesla just discontinued those models and after this year the base model will be 600+ miles
For example, Scruffy gets 600+ per tank. When he runs out, he can fill the tank in under 10 mins and continue his journey for another 600 miles.
How long does it take to charge a Tesla? If you are going on a trip that is greater than 600 miles, will you have to sit and wait 45 mins to 1 hr every time you run low?
The tech has significant room for improvement.
And currently, their use is limited by the distance between charging stations more than anything.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:11 am
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:09 am to musick
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The plug, when installed to your house, is the same as a dryer or range plug.
House power results in a longer charge time than the three phase chargers that can charge the car in 45 minutes.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:10 am to upgrayedd
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That's because there currently isn't a heavy reliance on an electricity market for transportation. Also, countries with large deposits of lithium will become the new OPEC and will control the vital resources that make these vehicles function
I believe in the free market which means, I trust a new battery tech will be developed to address the lithium issues.
Here are some I know coming down the pipeline soon.
SODIUM-ION
Solid State
Lithium-Sulfur
Li-S batteries are lighter weight, long lasting, and charge exponentially faster. Obviously it still uses Li but the demand won't be as great. We will see them in aircraft within our lifetimes.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:11 am
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