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re: Why do historically black colleges still exist?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:16 pm to Rouge
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:16 pm to Rouge
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now if Xavier and dillard were more thought of than grambling and southern, the the Louisiana general thought of HBCU might be quite different
Those are private schools. They can do what they want.
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:17 pm to Cosmo
Some HBCU's offer a solid education and exist as a vestige of a segregated America.
Most HBCU's today unfortunately accomplish little more than to offer a degree to black people who couldn't get into any other institution and to hire unqualified black people for administrative and teaching positions. They've raced to the bottom with the hopes that they'd attract enough students to hide how obsolete they are.
Most HBCU's today unfortunately accomplish little more than to offer a degree to black people who couldn't get into any other institution and to hire unqualified black people for administrative and teaching positions. They've raced to the bottom with the hopes that they'd attract enough students to hide how obsolete they are.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:19 pm to Cosmo
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oliticians argue about removing racist statues.
But these colleges are true symbols of racism and segregation. And they generally suck academic wise.
Its pretty much the same as keeping seperate water fountains.
You can't be this dumb.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:21 pm to volod
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academic practices that are disadvantageous to the student (my issue).
this should be good
go on. i could use some creative entertainment
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:22 pm to volod
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academic practices that are disadvantageous to the student (my issue)
I had an upper level professor, my favorite one ever, at LSU tell us the first day of class that he's not there to teach us the material and that he believes none of us would have gotten there if we needed him to. He said he's there to inspire us...so ask any question at any time...except don't ever come to his office and ask him for help with a problem, homework or otherwise.
Sometimes school is hard, figuring it all out on your own is why we get hired at cool jobs. Think my boss wants to solve my problems? You should hear the silence in meetings when he asks if anyone needs something from him...
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:22 pm to Cosmo
quote:but they are HBCU that still fit within the framework of your original question, correct?
Those are private schools.
has the question changed to PUBLICLY FUNDED HBCU?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:22 pm to Cosmo
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But these colleges are true symbols of racism and segregation. And they generally suck academic wise.
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You can't be this dumb.
He has a point even if he doesn't know it.
HBCU's are a vestige of a segregated past that are no longer needed in their original form. Like all organizations, they've fought to justify themselves in modern society and struggled to adapt to big changes around them. Many choose to lower their standards rather than compete with their non HBCU peers for students in an effort to justify their existence. In a way some are offering debt and poor useless degrees to people who probably should not be in college....much the same way that lending organizations prey on unqualified borrowers to pad their bottom line.
I think it can be argued that poor quality HBCU's that have not been able to compete with even mediocre non-HBCU's on an academic level are doing a disservice to their students and their community by straddling students with debt in exchange for a worthless degree.
Think of a "buggy whip" company that struggles to justify it's existence now that everyone has a Ford, Chevrolet, Buick, etc.
It's been argued (not by me) that many reputable bricks and mortar institutions are going to be put in that position in 20-30 years by colleges that offer online courses.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:30 pm to Cosmo
As has been pointed out they are relics of segregation that favor blacks and have academic settings blacks can dominate (in faculty as well as student body), so they are allowed to continue.
LA is an interesting case since Southern and Grambling (7 miles from Tech?) are so totally superfluous. Close them and give BRCC Southern's campus (and make SELU a JUCO).
LA is an interesting case since Southern and Grambling (7 miles from Tech?) are so totally superfluous. Close them and give BRCC Southern's campus (and make SELU a JUCO).
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:54 pm to Cosmo
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What "academic practices" specifically are disadvantageous to blacks?
To be fair, the practices are not specifically bad only for blacks. However, alot of people dont live to their full potential based on certain teaching methodologies. How many chemists could have been chem engineers if they had a different approach to learning the material and vice versa.
There will always be difficulties in a learning environment, but sometimes the issue is not necessarily that a student may not understand the information, which is a belief our society has accustomed itself to.
As I have experienced, HBCU have different tactics to address a student learning difficult concepts. This type of environment has been beneficial to me,allowing me to achieve heights that I was made to feel untouchable at a PWI.
I am not blaming PWI for my own errors or mistakes. All I am saying is that HBCU use different teaching methodologies to make students feel more welcome, and in consequence allow them to learn at their full potential instead of demoting their confidence.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:59 pm to volod
Tactics such as...?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:00 pm to Rouge
I have made a post addressing this.
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go on. i could use some creative entertainment
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:08 pm to volod
They intentionally try to make it easier for minorities to get higher education. Its easier for them to get into traditional colleges too. The end-goal is to try and lift their socio-economic status via education. The problem is that most of these schools suck, like a large majority of universities in the country. They should close the schools and put that money towards grants that teach high school graduates with low test scores how to become master electricians, plumbers, builders, etc. This would be better than paying a ton of money they don’t have to go to a school that gives them no options post-college.
Its stupid to give people, of any race, the promise of some wonderful post-college world in which a successful career with a ton of money is easily attainable. It’s the exact opposite. What’s more likely is a mountain of student loan debt and a middling job that has no real career path.
Now, if you’re rich and you want to pay for a useless education, be my fricking guest. Or if you’re still hung up on going to traditional college, even when poor, and want to take out student loans, again be my fricking guest. But AT LEAST give the option of different career paths that have a higher chance of success and little to no debt.
Its stupid to give people, of any race, the promise of some wonderful post-college world in which a successful career with a ton of money is easily attainable. It’s the exact opposite. What’s more likely is a mountain of student loan debt and a middling job that has no real career path.
Now, if you’re rich and you want to pay for a useless education, be my fricking guest. Or if you’re still hung up on going to traditional college, even when poor, and want to take out student loans, again be my fricking guest. But AT LEAST give the option of different career paths that have a higher chance of success and little to no debt.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:09 pm to Cosmo
1. Giving Take Home Practice Exams that allow the student to review the class information relevant to the actual exam. (obviously the numbers and/or wording is changed--but the general concept remains the same.)
2. The actual tests are primarily based (90%) on lectures given in class. In my experience at a PWI, exam questions were generally more complex that information given in class or homework.
3. Professors (generally speaking) take more interest in student learning. At PWI, the goal is primarily to 'weed out' students. This is accepted as fair practice kept at lower sophomoric or lower levels. However, in plenty of instances I have seen junior level students held back by courses.
Not all HBCU are better in regard. However, at my institution so far the professors let the information itself provide the challenge. They do not implement problems/questions more complex than what is already provided in books or lecture.
I have a few more thoughts, but I think this should suffice.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:18 pm to Cosmo
How can you dislike something that gives an under privileged person a better chance than they had before. All that Mike Brown and Confederate flag stuff aside. This is different from all of that. The requirements are low because if a person was confined to a shitty HS which wasn't in their control, shouldn't be the reason they can't go to college. Yea there's some who don't want to go or do right, oh well too bad for them that's their problem. Think about the ones that do though. Doesn't even have to be the case for only blacks, that's anyone. Don't think of an HBCU from a race standpoint for a second, think of it socioeconomically. I love white people, black people all that honestly I just wish as Americans we didn't even have to question stuff like this.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:23 pm to Mshargois3
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How can you dislike something that gives an under privileged person a better chance than they had before. All that Mike Brown and Confederate flag stuff aside. This is different from all of that. The requirements are low because if a person was confined to a shitty HS which wasn't in their control, shouldn't be the reason they can't go to college. Yea there's some who don't want to go or do right, oh well too bad for them that's their problem. Think about the ones that do though. Doesn't even have to be the case for only blacks, that's anyone. Don't think of an HBCU from a race standpoint for a second, think of it socioeconomically. I love white people, black people all that honestly I just wish as Americans we didn't even have to question stuff like this.
agree with almost all of this, but community colleges were also created for these similar reasons, and they are typically much more fiscally responsible.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:32 pm to Rouge
i def agree with you on that as well, but they also don't have many bachelors degree programs.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:02 pm to volod
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1. Giving Take Home Practice Exams that allow the student to review the class information relevant to the actual exam. (obviously the numbers and/or wording is changed--but the general concept remains the same.)
2. The actual tests are primarily based (90%) on lectures given in class. In my experience at a PWI, exam questions were generally more complex that information given in class or homework.
So what your saying is...easier with the information spoon-fed to the students that does not require them to think or to show that they know how to use/apply the concepts that they've learned? To hell with critical thinking, man!
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:17 pm to Cosmo
1. Giving Take Home Practice Exams that allow the student to review the class information relevant to the actual exam. (obviously the numbers and/or wording is changed--but the general concept remains the same.)
2. The actual tests are primarily based (90%) on lectures given in class. In my experience at a PWI, exam questions were generally more complex that information given in class or homework.
3. Professors (generally speaking) take more interest in student learning. At PWI, the goal is primarily to 'weed out' students. This is accepted as fair practice kept at lower sophomoric or lower levels. However, in plenty of instances I have seen junior level students held back by courses.
Not all HBCU are better in regard. However, at my institution so far the professors let the information itself provide the challenge. They do not implement problems/questions more complex than what is already provided in books or lecture.
I have a few more thoughts, but I think this should suffice.
ETA: Sorry. I made a mistake and resubmitted.
2. The actual tests are primarily based (90%) on lectures given in class. In my experience at a PWI, exam questions were generally more complex that information given in class or homework.
3. Professors (generally speaking) take more interest in student learning. At PWI, the goal is primarily to 'weed out' students. This is accepted as fair practice kept at lower sophomoric or lower levels. However, in plenty of instances I have seen junior level students held back by courses.
Not all HBCU are better in regard. However, at my institution so far the professors let the information itself provide the challenge. They do not implement problems/questions more complex than what is already provided in books or lecture.
I have a few more thoughts, but I think this should suffice.
ETA: Sorry. I made a mistake and resubmitted.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 5:19 pm
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