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re: Why did the South think an economy based on slave labor be sustainable?

Posted on 7/16/19 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 4:21 pm to
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States rights mattered back then, they felt that that stuff was the property of SC


Except SC ceded Ft Sumter to the US federal government by law about 20 years prior to the war. SC was in the wrong to attack Ft Sumter. There was no justification.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 4:22 pm to
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To be fair it wasnt the yankees that bombarded Ft. Sumter


So the Confederacy was supposed to just let the US Army continue to walk around in their territory? Doesn't really make sense that the CSA would look at this one little fort way down in SC and just say, "oh, that's the old Yankee fort, better let them be."
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 4:24 pm to
It is required to study History in its context. McCormick would have put slavery out of business by 1890.Machines are easier to manage than slaves.Also Northern Banksters.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 4:25 pm to
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So the Confederacy was supposed to just let the US Army continue to walk around in their territory? Doesn't really make sense that the CSA would look at this one little fort way down in SC and just say, "oh, that's the old Yankee fort, better let them be."


Well it was the property of the US government and was sovereign US territory.
Posted by TaTa Toothy
Everything in its right place
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 6:47 pm to
I'm sure Brazil has no regrets either.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33155 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:05 pm to
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We are still struggling with this today.


Ya'll need you a Kingfish, who'll be a friend to the working man.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
9261 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:45 pm to
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Did the African hierarchy think selling their fellow black countrymen to outsiders was sustainable? Because without that there is no slavery.




It was sold or be sold you simple frick.

Muh Africa is just as responsible stupid argument
This post was edited on 7/16/19 at 10:46 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:30 am to
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So the Confederacy was supposed to just let the US Army continue to walk around in their territory? Doesn't really make sense that the CSA would look at this one little fort way down in SC and just say, "oh, that's the old Yankee fort, better let them be."


Being as it was the first shot fired in the war, you would hope diplomacy would have been better used first.

Besides that just feeds the notion the CSA started the war.
Posted by latech15
Member since Aug 2015
1291 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:32 am to
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Did the African hierarchy think selling their fellow black countrymen to outsiders was sustainable? Because without that there is no slavery.



Did the New Orleanians feel bad shipping their dregs to Houston after Katrina?

It's not a matter of race, as much as culture. If you are brought up in any environment, with your morals and expectations based upon that environment, then that is what you will deem as appropriate. At some point, someone has to stop with the current culture and set of morals and realize that their kids will live the same terrible life that they have unless they teach them that there is a better way. Hard to teach it when that is the life that they were taught.

It took the Jews 1000's of years but they have all the money, power and influence now. I guess the decedents of the slaves here still have 1800 years or so to get their sh!t together.....
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:39 am to
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But the yankees decided we needed to fight a war and have millions die over it.



Abraham Lincoln manipulated the freedom of the black man for his own political career.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:29 am to
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Did the New Orleanians feel bad shipping their dregs to Houston after Katrina?

What the frick? That is a terrible analogy.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39831 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:39 am to
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The US was the only country on earth that fought a war to end slavery. Which tells you the Civil War was fought over much more than just slavery.



haitian civil war and arguably the Texas Revolution
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7119 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:04 am to
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quote:

To be fair it wasnt the yankees that bombarded Ft. Sumter
So the Confederacy was supposed to just let the US Army continue to walk around in their territory? Doesn't really make sense that the CSA would look at this one little fort way down in SC and just say, "oh, that's the old Yankee fort, better let them be."
It was federal government property. The US owned it, not South Carolina.

How do you think the US would respond to Cuba bombing Naval Station Guantanamo Bay? And we don't even own Gitmo.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41699 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:06 am to
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Besides that just feeds the notion the CSA started the war.


If you believe the North went to war to preserve the union then the South’s actions caused the war.

Posted by JETigER
LSU 2011 National Champions
Member since Dec 2003
7081 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:32 am to
So the woke Africans stayed and the Africans who were not woke were forced to leave.

This means that the African Americans of today are not capable of being woke, because their ancestors were not woke.

Those are your words, not mine because you said it was a “battle of the woke and the not woke to stay in Africa”
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41699 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:38 am to
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It was federal government property. The US owned it, not South Carolina.


That was hotly disputed.

SC believed it was their property and thus fought to take it.

The Feds believed it was theirs and fought to keep it.

That was the big picture and why war was started. The South believed states were sovereign and the North believed the Union and the Federal Govt. was boss.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7119 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 11:13 am to
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It was federal government property. The US owned it, not South Carolina.
That was hotly disputed.

SC believed it was their property and thus fought to take it.

The Feds believed it was theirs and fought to keep it.

That was the big picture and why war was started. The South believed states were sovereign and the North believed the Union and the Federal Govt. was boss.
No it wasn't.

South Carolina ceded the land to the US in 1836.

There was no dispute.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41699 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:11 pm to
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There was no dispute.

Except the South fired cannons on the fort to take it back.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7119 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 1:00 pm to
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There was no dispute.
Except the South fired cannons on the fort to take it back.


People pulls guns on others and steal shite all of the time.

There was no dispute about who owned Fort Sumter.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7119 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 1:05 pm to
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There was no dispute.
Except the South fired cannons on the fort to take it back.
So you're just going to ignore your whole argument:
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That was hotly disputed.

SC believed it was their property and thus fought to take it.

The Feds believed it was theirs and fought to keep it.

That was the big picture and why war was started. The South believed states were sovereign and the North believed the Union and the Federal Govt. was boss.

South Carolina did not believe it was their property and thus fought to take it. They just wanted to take it. They had no legal right to it.

A good analogy would be if Cuba shelled Naval Station Guantanamo Bay. Cuba knows that the US has a legal right to be there. They would be attempting to take it by force . . . just like the insurgents in South Carolina.
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