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re: Why did France and Britian declare war on Germany and not the Soviet Union in WW2
Posted on 5/3/22 at 5:49 pm to troyt37
Posted on 5/3/22 at 5:49 pm to troyt37
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Dude. By the measure that Russia was killing Russians. Germany was killing people all over by 1939.
Im shocked anyone could be this unfathomably stupid, by 1939 the "Russians" had murdered 10-15 million Ukrainians. In addition to invading Poland, invading Finland. And murdering millions of others in 6 other nations.
Do you not know any history????
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 5:50 pm to Darth_Vader
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It boils down to the legal details of the treaty they had with Poland. The treaty bound them to come to Poland’s side in case of a German invasion. It had nothing similar when it comes to the USSR. This detail is especially puzzling when consider the fact the Soviets had already invaded Poland in the early 1920s.
The legal details may well have been a factor. However, I kind of doubt that Great Britain's sense of Altruism was and is so very deep that they would always follow the letter of every written agreement, even when recent developments demonstrate that such Altruism would work against the Best Interests of Great Britain.
Here's my personal opinion on the matter. It is historically true that, during the 1930s, Britain, France and the USA all had significant segments of their populations that were politically Leftist and had some sympathy for the Soviet Union's "Dictatorship of the Proletariat".
So, there was some domestic political justification for not declaring war on the Soviet Union. Perhaps the powers that be felt that there was no compelling reason to upset the Leftists at a time when the Nation was trying to rally everybody against Germany.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 5:55 pm to Champagne
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Here's my personal opinion on the matter. It is historically true that, during the 1930s, Britain, France and the USA all had significant segments of their populations that were politically Leftist and had some sympathy for the Soviet Union's "Dictatorship of the Proletariat".
It's a lot simpler than that
Imagine the Soviets killed 10x the number of people the Germans did and people still revere them...,interesting isn't it.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:02 pm to troyt37
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Tell me more about the damage the French did to the Germans in the battle of France….
1/3rd of the luftwafe in a month. Better than any month the Brit’s pulled off
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:14 pm to troyt37
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I don't know how you can say that. The first ones were built in 1933, and held mostly political prisoners. They were killing people in the streets, what makes you think they weren't killing them in prison?
Because unlike you I know something about history.
The death camps began construction in 1939. Most of those who died in the holocaust never entered the concentration camp system.
And to be clear: I’m
Not saying no one died prior than 1941.
But it wasn’t systemic. The policy of “extermination through labor” didn’t start till 1942
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:18 pm to bdavids09
The leaders of France and the UK were looking at the world as participants and victors of the worst war in European history. The idea and fear of allowing a reemergent Germany would nullify the sacrifice of millions of British and French, and the fear of having to fight a stronger Germany, which they ironically had to do forced them to declare war.
But as an earlier poster pointed out, it was known as the "phony war".
Other than an incursion by the French into the Saar Land, the strategy seemed to be to go on the defensive and blockade Germany forcing them to the peace table.
There was some talk about assisting Finland against the Soviets when they invaded, but there was honestly no heart in it.
In any case, Germany was the primary threat, and there was no capacity or desire to take on both countries.
But as an earlier poster pointed out, it was known as the "phony war".
Other than an incursion by the French into the Saar Land, the strategy seemed to be to go on the defensive and blockade Germany forcing them to the peace table.
There was some talk about assisting Finland against the Soviets when they invaded, but there was honestly no heart in it.
In any case, Germany was the primary threat, and there was no capacity or desire to take on both countries.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:22 pm to TBoy
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The Soviet Union did not invade or bomb them.
Next question.
You do know that Britain and France declared war on Germany Sept 3, 1939, right?
No, you don't.
Stupid frick.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:29 pm to Strannix
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Im shocked anyone could be this unfathomably stupid, by 1939 the "Russians" had murdered 10-15 million Ukrainians.
Oh frick off. What were Ukrainians starting in 1922? Yep, you guessed it. Russians.
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In addition to invading Poland, invading Finland.
Poland and Finland have been discussed extensively.
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And murdering millions of others in 6 other nations.
Name them.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:31 pm to Snazzmeister
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I don’t disagree with anything you’ve posted aside from this. The idea that Germany could cross the channel with the British navy still intact is silly.
Planes>boats
With proper planes, the Germans could easily interdict the British Navy in an area the size of the Channel which would allow an invasion.
WW2 proved battleships fighting battleships was inefficient and a very expensive use of resources.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:55 pm to Volvagia
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Because unlike you I know something about history.
I guess you want to be a jerk too. Move the goalposts all you’d like, Germans were terrorizing and yes killing Jews and others long before 1941. Systemic? I’m sure it was as systemic as it could be in the mid to late 30’s. Was it systemic, having them rounded up into the ghettos? That was well before 1941.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:56 pm to troyt37
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Oh frick off. What were Ukrainians starting in 1922? Yep, you guessed it. Russians.
Are you fricking retarded?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:58 pm to troyt37
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I guess you want to be a jerk too. Move the goalposts all you’d like, Germans were terrorizing and yes killing Jews and others long before 1941. Systemic? I’m sure it was as systemic as it could be in the mid to late 30’s. Was it systemic, having them rounded up into the ghettos? That was well before 1941.
But it's OK Russia (Kagan) murdered 15 million Ukrainuans though right
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:06 pm to Strannix
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Are you fricking retarded?
Probably, but at least I’m not an arse. I bet the Russians called them Russians.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:14 pm to bdavids09
They needed someone to fight the war for them. The cowards already got invaded and surrendered. The British were on the brink.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:15 pm to BuckyCheese
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Planes>boats With proper planes, the Germans could easily interdict the British Navy in an area the size of the Channel which would allow an invasion. WW2 proved battleships fighting battleships was inefficient and a very expensive use of resources.
Does fantasy Nazi porn get you off lmao
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:18 pm to troyt37
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Maybe, but the real reason the USSR lost so many fighting Germany is that their generals and commanders were idiots and psychopaths, who didn't give a flying frick about the number of soldiers on their side who were killed. The Russian winter is what actually defeated the Germans.
Blame the Commissars. Surrender meant execution for treason. Didn't matter how bad a plan was, retreat or surrender meant treason. Generals had no choice even when they knew better.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:37 pm to Palmetto98
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Does fantasy Nazi porn get you off lmao
You're racist.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 8:44 pm to Strannix
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But it's OK Russia (Kagan) murdered 15 million Ukrainuans though right
Nope. I’ve said many times before, Germany and Russia were both ran by murderous totalitarian bastards. Doesn’t change one bit of what I said. Russians were killing Russians. Germans were killing all kinds of people, in a prelude to attempting the genocide of European Jews. No good guys in this story, but since Germany foolishly attacked Russia, I’m more than happy that we allied with them, and that Russians killed the hell out of them.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:16 pm to troyt37
WW2 is an extension of WW1. The German troops felt like they were cheated out of continuing the war by the powers that be. The treaty of Versailles made the German people bitter and once they got a charismatic leader that’s when everything took off.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:01 pm to AgCoug
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What schools did y'all attend and how bad were they? Yes, this is definitely taught in schools.
Well most of us are from Louisiana, so there’s that.
All joking aside, it just wasn’t gone into as much as the Nazis, and Japanese atrocities were. The Soviets were just as bad, and arguably worse than those two, or at least more than the Japs.
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