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Why aren't there any automotive plants in the southern gulf coast states?

Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:40 pm
Posted by goofball
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:40 pm
A lot of investment into the deep south by the foreign automakers in recent years, but few have built south of I-20. I don't think any have been built in Florida.




These are pretty desirable investments for a region to have. Car/truck assembly plants tend to be labor intensive but don't emit a lot of air or water pollution. They basically just need a giant site with rail and highway access, and there are plenty of those all over southern Louisiana.

Is there a concern over hurricanes? If so, why is southern Louisiana good enough for so many other industrial facilities but not an automobile manufacturing plant?
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:41 pm to
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Why aren't there any automotive plants in the southern gulf coast states?


Your picture shows plants in two of them.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:42 pm to
Mobile has an Airbus factory
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:42 pm to
workforce issues probably
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:42 pm to
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Your picture shows plants in two of them.



Not in the southern portion of them.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:43 pm to
Are you going to build a multi-billion dollar plant, the loss of which will impact your bottom line for months to years in a place where hurricanes regularly come in and frick up the infrastructure? The I-20 corridor has much of the transportation benefit of the I-10 corridor, but with less of the violent windy parts. I'd 100% build something like that up near the I-20 corridor before the I-10 corridor.

That's part of the reason why. Things like chemical plants and shipping depots are more resilient to wind and can tolerate being much closer to the Gulf. Giant fricking buildings, not so much.
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:44 pm to
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workforce issues probably



Nissan opened a plant outside Jackson. JACKSON.

And Exxon, Dow, Honeywell, Airbus, NASA, Chevron, Formosa, etc. all have big operations very near the gulf coast.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:44 pm to
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Not in the southern portion of them.



Well, for the most part, the population is concentrated in the northern portions of those states.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:45 pm to
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workforce issues probably


Nissan opened a plant outside Jackson. JACKSON.

And Exxon, Dow, Honeywell, Airbus, NASA, Chevron, Formosa, etc. all have big operations very near the gulf coast.


Ya i meant in answer to why Louisiana wasn't getting them. I know Alabama makes a lot of efforts in terms of workforce training to get auto plants and stuff to build there.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:45 pm to
True except for MS. Most people live in southern Mississippi than northern.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16864 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:45 pm to
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Are you going to build a multi-billion dollar plant, the loss of which will impact your bottom line for months to years in a place where hurricanes regularly come in and frick up the infrastructure?

That's part of the reason why. Things like chemical plants and shipping depots are more resilient to wind. Giant fricking buildings, not so much.



You might be right.

General Motors operated a plant near Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma City that was hit by a tornado TWICE; and both times rebuilt and reopened. But it was one of the GM plants that was closed during the recession.

That being said, chemical plants and refineries also don't really store inventory outside. They are usually in tank farms nearby. Where automotive plants do seem to stage finished product right outside the plant.
Posted by biohzrd
Central City
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:47 pm to
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Exxon, Dow, Honeywell, Airbus, NASA, Chevron, Formosa



One of those companies are not like the others...


Honeywell is a shite company, and too tied up in the feel goods, BLM, women’s month, Black History month, unconscious bias training bullshite!!!
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6496 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:52 pm to
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Are you going to build a multi-billion dollar plant, the loss of which will impact your bottom line for months to years in a place where hurricanes regularly come in and frick up the infrastructure?


In Montgomery, the Hyundai plant asked the Air National Guard not to fly over the building because they were concerned the vibration would affect the quality of the automated paint process. Some of these processes are pretty environment-sensitive.
Posted by lowhound
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:53 pm to
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Is there a concern over hurricanes? If so, why is southern Louisiana good enough for so many other industrial facilities but not an automobile manufacturing plant?


Liability insurance from hurricanes is an issue. Some of it is because of Louisiana politicians. There's tons of historical anecdotal evidence to support this. The other is because LA is not a very union friendly state, which is probably a requirement for UAW. The GM plant in Shreveport closed down in 2012. The state has been courting other start-up electric vehicle manufacturers such as Elio to take over the space.
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 3:57 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:53 pm to
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100% build something like that up near the I-20 corridor before the I-10 corridor.


Funroe finna eat
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49249 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:54 pm to
Hurricane blows through and puts your auto factory out of service for 6 months and damages the 1000 vehicles sitting outside?

I can see why they pass on those locations.

Little domestic auto production goes overseas so locating on the coast has no upside.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8003 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:54 pm to
It's part geography and part network effect.

Transportation costs are generally lower, as those areas are more centrally located to the national centers of population (Southeast, Atlantic Seaboard, Midwest, West Coast) while still being in lower cost places for production. They are also almost all close to major transportation arteries. When you're producing stuff at that scale with a very, very widely distributed footprint of end customers (as opposed to, say, Boeing in Charleston or Airbus in Mobile, where you're shipping to only a few customers in some pretty specific places, and it makes more sense to be located near a major port for importing certain goods and can ship out to only a few customers), the transportation costs matter a lot.

There's also a network effect where a handful of manufacturers will locate to a certain place then a few Tier I suppliers will follow, then a few Tier II's, then...it adds up and all of the sudden you have a major locus of production in a certain industry. Same thing happened in auto in Michigan and Ohio in the middle of the 20th century.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6496 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:55 pm to
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Honeywell is a shite company, and too tied up in the feel goods, BLM, women’s month, Black History month, unconscious bias training bullshite!!!


That’s just about every corporation these days.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66790 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:56 pm to
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One of those companies are not like the others...


ExxonMobil
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16489 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 3:56 pm to
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True except for MS. Most people live in southern Mississippi than northern.


I don't think this is true
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