re: Why are we looking to space?

Google parallax. The man told you how. It’s mathematics. I’d explain more but it’s like trying to teach Korean to a field mouse.

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I can tell you are making the grammar and punctuation errors on purpose. Tone it down a little.

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that's my shtick

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It doesn't exist. STILL (Is it in your manual?)

No gunner "accounts" for a "spinning" earth.

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I have never been a gunner but you can be damn sure Redlegs use the Coriolis effect when they fire, because they want their rounds to hit where they intend them to. For your edification there is a excerpt from the Army's Field Artillery Manual Cannon Gunnery:



ETA to include the link to the full field manual:

Field Manual PDF


As for long range precision rifle I competed in rifle sports for over 40 years and after I flamed out of the Olympic Trials for '88 and finished shooting in college in '89 I ended my 3 position small bore career and started shooting in various long range classes, mainly F-Class and then more recently dabbled in ELR shooting. I quit competition in 2020.

In all those years I did not know a single long range precision shooter that didn't use Coriolis effect compensation. It is in every long range ballistics table and every modern ballistics computer... period. It is a second order effect on the projectile. Note if you are shooting due East or West it is technically the Eothvos effect and due North or South it is the Coriolis effect any other azimuth and it is a mixture of the two but most shooters just refer to it as the Coriolis effect, both are a result of a spinning earth. One of the first things you will determine as a long range precision shooter when arriving at a match is your latitude and your azimuth of fire.

Be aware it is not really significant enough to be used in many forms of practical shooting like hunting but it is in precision shooting where conditions are far less dynamic and your range is known to the inch.

If you shoot due East with an average velocity long range precision rifle with no Coriolis comp you will wind up about 5 inches high because the earth is falling away from your bullet, due east and you will be about 5" low. Due North or South in the Nothern Hemisphere at mid-latitudes will hit about 5 inches right, the opposite in the Sothern Hemisphere. Again these numbers are based on generic LRPR rifle velocities.

If you google Corelois effect and shooting you will get hundreds of links.

If you want to see how it is viewed in ballistics you can check out this book:

Amazon: Applied Ballistics For Long Range Shooting 3rd Edition


Here is part of the description of one of the ballistics/environmental meters I use:

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For long-range shooters, the Kestrel Ballistics line of environmental meters are the industry standard to ensure hitting your target on the first shot. The built-in ballistics solver from Applied Ballistics calculates your bullet’s drag profile measuring corrections for Aerodynamic Jump, Spin Drift, Coriolis, and Drop Scale Factoring to achieve accurate extended long-range shots. The Kestrel also measures many environmental factors like humidity, wind speed, wind direction, and more that can all have an effect on your shot. All of these measurements, combined with the ballistics solver allows you to hit your target with confidence.

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Kestrel


At this point you are being willfully ignorant because I gave you this information before. When you say no gunner or shooter uses Coriolis effect compensation to me it is like telling a fisherman that no fishermen use hooks.

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Otherwise, your break from licking windows is probably over and it’s time to get back to work.

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You think that loon is actually employable?

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You think that loon is actually employable?

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I think he used to be a staffer on the Art Bell radio show.

Now he hosts a cable access show at 2:30 in the morning on Thursdays.

It is weird. There's no way it would be cheaper to terraform the moon or mars than Earth haha.

The real reason is the elites wanna leave us behind and frick off from here before people wisen up to the fact that we spend our whole lives working for the benefit of very few



We are only here to be milked by the elites for $$$

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I'll just leave your query and my response (that you didn't come back to) right here:

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Thanks. I'll also copy you at the other thread.

The good news: congratulations on finding an actual military field manual (Field Artillery Manual Cannon Gunnery) that actually mentioned "Rotation" and the infamous "Coriolis Affect".

The bad news: All the the rest do NOT mention "Coriolis Affect" or "Rotation of Earth" as a factor.

(And btw, a very good friend of mine was a "Redleg" Captain -- RIP)

I am not going to post full spread sheets of the specific docs. If you have the time to double check the LACK of mentions of "ROTATION OF EARTH" or "CORIOLIS EFFECT", be my guest.

The first document -- ironically also a FIELD ARTILLERY MANUAL CANNON GUNNERY -- only from a 1999 change to the 1996 manual. (Notice under the POSITION heading: 3 NO ROTATION OF THE EARTH

(Btw, strange that the inclusion of the "Earth Rotation" and "Coriolis Effect" suddenly matter by 2016's manual.)



Change HEADQUARTERS

No.1 DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY

Washington, DC, 1 October 1999

Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures for
FIELD ARTILLERY MANUAL CANNON GUNNERY

FM 6-40/MCWP 3-16.4, April 1996, is changed as follows:

1. Change the following paragraphs or sections (changes are in bold type):
Replace Paragraph 6-1, Page 6-1 with the following:

6-1. Description

A firing chart is a graphic representation of a portion of the earth's surface used for determining
distance (or range) and direction (azimuth or deflection). The chart may be constructed by using a map, a photomap, a gridsheet, or other material on which the relative locations of batteries, known points, targets, and observers can be plotted. Additional positions, fire support coordinating measures, and other data needed for the safe and accurate conduct of fire may also be recorded.

Replace Step 5, Table 6-6, Page 6-19 with the following:

5 Place a plotting pin opposite the number on the azimuth scale (blue numbers) on the arc of the
RDP corresponding to the last three digits of the azimuth in which the arm of the RDP is oriented. The location of the pin represents a temporary index and will not be replaced with a
permanent index. The value of the pin is the value of the first digit of the azimuth in which the arm of the RDP is oriented. Use the rules outlined in step 4 of Table 6-5 to determine where the pin should be placed. In Figure 6-15, the azimuth of lay is 1850, so the RDP has been oriented east (1600 mils).
Replace Figure 7-1, Page 7-1 with the following:

STANDARD CONDITIONS

WEATHER
1 AIR TEMPERATURE 100 PERCENT (59° F)
2 AIR DENSITY 100 PERCENT (1,225 gm/m3)
3 NO WIND

POSITION
1 GUN, TARGET AND MDP AT SAME ALTITUDE
2 ACCURATE RANGE
3 NO ROTATION OF THE EARTH

MATERIAL
1 STANDARD WEAPON, PROJECTILE, AND FUZE
2 PROPELLANT TEMPERATURE (70° F)
3 LEVEL TRUNNIONS AND PRECISION SETTINGS
4 FIRING TABLE MUZZLE VELOCITY
5 NO DRIFT
LEGEND: gm/m3
- grams per cubic meter

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Moving along...

None of the following manuals mention "Coriolis Effect":

Sniping Manuals

U.S. Marine Corps Sniping Manuals
1981 FMFM 1-3B Sniping (Archive)
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2016 MCTP 3-01E Sniping
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U.S. Army Sniper Field Training Manuals
1994 FM 23-10 Sniper Training (Archive)

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1989 TC 23-14 Sniper Training and Employment
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2003 FM 3-05.222 Special Forces Sniper Training and Employment (Archive)

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U.S. Navy SEAL Sniping Manual

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US Navy SEAL Basic Sniper Training

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US Navy SEAL Sniper Training Program

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FMFM 1-3B Sniping (U.S. Marine Corps) Manual; 1984 Marksmanship Training explains effect of:

the path of the bullet, elevation, weather, wind, still/moving target, range, height of snipper/target, terrain atmospheric/light conditions.

However again -- the words "Coriolis" or "Coriolis Effect" do not appear anywhere or are mentioned as a deviation or efficiency factor in the U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Army (1994) , or U.S. Marine and Navy SEAL sniper manuals.

Again, no other Military Field manual but the one you found mentions 'Coriolis Effect' or 'Rotation of Earth' as a factor in ordnance or sniper consideration. (It' certainly not considered as a practical matter or in battle.)

Moreover, "Coriolis Effect" is NOT mentioned as any factor in flight whatsoever by NASA itself either, it's own documents specifically advise its pilots to, quote, "presume a Flat, non-Rotating Earth".



The Earth is obviously NOT spinning. Or Rotating. OR a "Ball.

Questions to you in any case:

How do you know the following is as claimed is true and factual, "proven" by science?

1) 1000 mph Spinning Ball
Hurling 66,600 mph around the Sun

2) IF you Coriolis Effect theory is truly affecting a bullet or rocket (as the Earth spins 750-1000 mph East), then shouldn't a Balloon or plane can simply hover in the sky to "hitch" a ride West for 3 hour to California?

3) By what "Science" or authority do you know for certain that this earth is NOT an Extended plane with the center of earth the North Pole?

4) If 72% of the earth is water(Oceans, Rivers, Lakes), and we know for certain that Water and Sea Level is "LEVEL" and not convex, how can the earth be a Ball?

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Your personal "creds" and/or resume wasn't necessary, but thanks. We are aware that you are quite familiar with shooting guns and procedure.

You claim nearly everyone you know uses some kind of Coriolis Effect mitigation. Hard to believe but whatever.

Believe what you want. I know of no professional or recreational shooter who has seriously taken CE or the alleged "Spinning Earth" into account. And most certainly no sniper in real time is firing up that complicated gadget (Kestrel) to get his shot. (Nice marketing from Kestrel though)

We will all be flooded in ten years cuz of global warming. We can see the sea then.

Why are we looking to space?
—because…