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re: Why are some of you rooting for cities to burn?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:04 pm to Salmon
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:04 pm to Salmon
Scruffy is simply telling you to get better at risk/benefit analysis.
You made a choice that the negatives you perceived were outweighed by the benefits.
Scruffy is coming from a place of medicine where those sorts of decisions are made every day and you bear responsibility for the negatives of therapy regardless of whether you like them or not.
You chose to support a side that detests our rule of law. You decided that was not so bad and you could deal with it. You own it.
You made a choice that the negatives you perceived were outweighed by the benefits.
Scruffy is coming from a place of medicine where those sorts of decisions are made every day and you bear responsibility for the negatives of therapy regardless of whether you like them or not.
You chose to support a side that detests our rule of law. You decided that was not so bad and you could deal with it. You own it.
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Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:05 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:Ultimately, you are.
I would agree with this but Scruffy's argument goes much further than this. He argues that you are responsible for any and all actions that politician makes while in office, unforeseen or otherwise.
If you want to argue degrees of responsibility, that’s fine and I won’t disagree, but ultimately you bear at least some responsibility for putting the politician in the position of power in the first place.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:05 pm to cardswinagain
I'm personally rooting for blue cities to burn to help carry me through the off-season. It's selfish but honest.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:06 pm to SCLibertarian
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This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:07 pm to northshorebamaman
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He argues that you are responsible for any and all actions that politician makes while in office, unforeseen or otherwise.
3,000 Americans died on 9/11 because of our government's meddling in Middle Eastern foreign policy for a half century, and I doubt if 10% of the country could've told you what was going on in the decades leading to 9/11. But we were made to pay because of those we elected.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:08 pm to Tiguar
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Scruffy is coming from a place of medicine where those sorts of decisions are made every day and you bear responsibility for the negatives of therapy regardless of whether you like them or not.
Cool.
I literally do risk assessments everyday, as that is my job.
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You chose to support a side that detests our rule of law. You decided that was not so bad and you could deal with it. You own it.
What side is that?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:10 pm to cahoots
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The house literally passed a bill designed to end qualified immunity
Let me know when it passes the Senate and is signed into law. You and I both know that won't happen, because this entire ordeal has nothing to do with ending police militarization.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:10 pm to Salmon
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this is the exact reason why I have checked out of national politics and have focused my energy on local elections
And that's fair. And I hope your efforts are focused on getting local power back. That's the key. But we do have 2 amalgamations who are only concerned with growing their power, and that is hard to beat or tangle with.
For me, I think it's best to tangle with Republicans, there is a better chance to focus on local power, and a decreased centralization with Repubs in charge. So nationally, I vote for them, agree with most of the platform, but accept there are lots of problems in there as well and I accept that I am responsible for those things I disagree with (like capital punishment).
Modern democrats are all about ending local experiments, consolidating power, and controlling reality through cultural mechanisms. They are the main threat to individual liberty right now. Not sure that can be debated.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:14 pm to Freauxzen
quote:OK. We are actually using the word differently. You are using it in the strictest sense of the word and I mean it to be used interchangeably with 'blame'. To be fair most people ITT seem to be using my definition.
I mean, basically you are. In the stark difference of the idea above its clear. You might not be AS responsible for other things, but you are responsible.
For example, W Bush: I was partly responsible for the Iraq war in the strictest sense because it most likely wouldn't have happened had someone else been in office but I don't think it's fair to say I share "blame" for the war in Iraq because of who I voted for pre 9/11.
I also don't think your use of the word is particularly germane as it has nothing to do with justifying ROOTING for American cities to burn which people (not you) keep trying to pretend is not the topic.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:15 pm to SCLibertarian
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:27 pm to shel311
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Not everyone can do that so simply.
Of course they can. Living in a dangerous situation is worse than packing up and moving. Every time. If you choose to stay, you did it to yourself.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:30 pm to shel311
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Not everyone can do that so simply.
We exist on a planet that expanded simply because people moved from one place to another. I never get this argument honestly.
If we didn't move as humans, not sure we would still be here.
Let's articulate the real problem, people would have to sacrifice to move, which means affecting their level of comfort in some way. We are obsessed with comfort, and its ruined us and our ability to be free and make good choices.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:35 pm to cardswinagain
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What about the people who didn’t vote for it? What about the people who just want to peacefully live their lives?
They should move.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:42 pm to SOSFAN
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Why are some of you rooting for cities to burn?
quote:I may not agree, but you're one of the few that actually gave a direct answer to the question that at least made some kind of sense.
I'm personally rooting for blue cities to burn to help carry me through the off-season. It's selfish but honest.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:44 pm to pochejp
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They should move.
Absolutely.
Go to the burbs.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:08 pm to cardswinagain
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A lot of the people that live in these cities did not ask for it. Innocent people and businesses could be destroyed and some of you cheer it on? Just for your entertainment? Be better than that
Those innocents could put a stop to it quickly if they really want to.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:14 pm to Scruffy
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for putting the politician in the position of power in the first place.
Didn't this last election finally open some eyes to the fact that your vote means absolutely nothing?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:15 pm to VADawg
OP never answered my question: what website did you link our responses to?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:21 pm to Salmon
You know
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:31 pm to northshorebamaman
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OK. We are actually using the word differently. You are using it in the strictest sense of the word and I mean it to be used interchangeably with 'blame'. To be fair most people ITT seem to be using my definition.
I mean, we can split hairs, but blame involves responsibility. but this....
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For example, W Bush: I was partly responsible for the Iraq war in the strictest sense because it most likely wouldn't have happened had someone else been in office but I don't think it's fair to say I share "blame" for the war in Iraq because of who I voted for pre 9/11.
is where complexity comes in. this required an event to happen that hadn't happened when you made your choice. it's something that may reduce your responsibility, or blame, but it doesn't delete it automatically. it's still there, but definitely less.
Republicans ( and I am/was a part of that) knowingly powered the Neocon machine for decades, of which W was a product and head of. They share some blame for the war mongering that occurred. We all know what any war in the middle east is about.
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I also don't think your use of the word is particularly germane as it has nothing to do with justifying ROOTING for American cities to burn which people (not you) keep trying to pretend is not the topic.
True.
It does in the sense that, people are rooting for other people to see the results of their choices. It's an unsympathetic stance for sure, but it's rooted in the idea of reaping what you sow.
Personally, I don't root for those cities to burn, but i understand why they do and understand i can do nothing to stop but continue to espouse what I believe is a better/correct way. If people don't change, and don't take different actions, there isn't much we can do but watch at this point.
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