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re: Why are some of you rooting for cities to burn?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:50 am to cardswinagain
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:50 am to cardswinagain
Because they've grown to hate America
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Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:52 am to shel311
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why do you feel the need to choose one or the other when it is not about choosing one or the other?
You guys are more concerned about property. Why don’t you have the same concern for the people?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:53 am to TooFyeToFly
This is why I only vote for myself, because at the end of the day the only person I can really trust is myself. Although if I’m being honest, I don’t really trust myself either, oldmanbeasley is a crazy bastard
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:53 am to Ghostface_Killa
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You guys are more concerned about property. Why don’t you have the same concern for the people
What people?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:54 am to northshorebamaman
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But specifically, in the context of this thread, would you argue that a person who voted for the least liberal of two liberal candidates, bears responsibility for his own business being burned?
Is the harm foreseeable? If I own a business on the SC coast, shouldn't I expect that there may be a chance it's destroyed by a hurricane? We've seen large-scale urban riots in left-wing cities across America the last decade. Owning a business in one of these places comes with the risk that it could be destroyed or looted by rioters.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:54 am to Ghostface_Killa
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You guys are more concerned about property. Why don’t you have the same concern for the people?
people lives are often connected to that property
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:55 am to cardswinagain
I'm fascinated by the media and political hypocrisy.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:55 am to SCLibertarian
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Is the harm foreseeable? If I own a business on the SC coast, shouldn't I expect that there may be a chance it's destroyed by a hurricane? We've seen large-scale urban riots in left-wing cities across America the last decade. Owning a business in one of these places comes with the risk that it could be destroyed or looted by rioters.
make the "those people deserve it" argument next time a hurricane makes landfall and see how well that argument goes around here
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:56 am to northshorebamaman
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But specifically, in the context of this thread, would you argue that a person who voted for the least liberal of two liberal candidates, bears responsibility for his own business being burned? And can he shirk this responsibility if he votes for the losing candidate or just doesn't vote at all (as Scruffy argues)? That's what we're really talking about.
If that least liberal candidate in any way stokes the situation, or doesn't make easy and obvious attempts to stop it. Or if his "least liberal" actions only make things worse, then yes, they are responsible. even doing nothing does not remove an elected official from the duties they were elected for. They are specifically elected to represent the people and do public good. And none of this city burning is public good. And they can stop it, or encourage our country to stop it, but they aren't.
The only way they aren't responsible for the bad outcomes is if the "least" liberal candidate tries and fails to stop this stuff.
It's obviously more complicated than this, and we are talking in absolute responsibility rather than gradations of it, which is what it is. But thinking that we aren't responsible for representatives that we elect kinds of leads us exactly into this chaos. We cannot absolve people of responsibility
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:56 am to Salmon
quote:Why?
I'll literally never be able to vote in my life if I were to accept this
Just accept the potential risk associated with your vote.
This very concept is at the heart of voting.
quote:And as the one above me stated, not accepting the outcome of your vote, both good and bad, is merely “shirking your responsibility”.
that's an impossible standard to apply, especially in our voting system
and honestly, its really just a method used to demonize people that vote differently than you
Why should you get to disregard the negative actions of the politicians you put in power?
If you oppose universal healthcare, but vote for someone who supports it and enacts it, resulting in economic outcomes that are negative, are only the voters who supported universal healthcare and that candidate to blame for the outcome?
Why do you get to distance yourself from it?
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 10:58 am
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:57 am to Ghostface_Killa
quote:What makes you say that?
You guys are more concerned about property. Why don’t you have the same concern for the people?
You're basically just making that up for the sake of your argument.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:58 am to SCLibertarian
quote:Are people rooting for hurricanes to destroy businesses on the SC coast? That's what we're discussing.
Is the harm foreseeable? If I own a business on the SC coast, shouldn't I expect that there may be a chance it's destroyed by a hurricane? We've seen large-scale urban riots in left-wing cities across America the last decade. Owning a business in one of these places comes with the risk that it could be destroyed or looted by rioters.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:58 am to SCLibertarian
quote:So you're argument is that it's ok for someone in Wisconsin to root for towns in south Louisiana to burn then?
If I own a business on the SC coast, shouldn't I expect that there may be a chance it's destroyed by a hurricane? We've seen large-scale urban riots in left-wing cities across America the last decade. Owning a business in one of these places comes with the risk that it could be destroyed or looted by rioters.
Because that is what you said here.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:59 am to Ghostface_Killa
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You guys are more concerned about property. Why don’t you have the same concern for the people?
Are you capable of adding any thought to go along with this? Or are you just going to keep repeating that question?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:00 am to Scruffy
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Why should people be allowed to distance themselves from the negative aspects of the leaders they supported?
I can’t accept that stance.
Sorry, but those German citizens just wanted to drive fast. It's not their fault a bunch of other bad shite happened.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:01 am to shel311
quote:Probably happens all of the time.
So you're argument is that it's ok for someone in Wisconsin to root for towns in south Louisiana to burn then?
Fans of teams playing the Saints really enjoy using Katrina as an insult.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:01 am to Freauxzen
quote:I don't know, man. Maybe we're using different definitions or applying different degrees to the word responsibility.
If that least liberal candidate in any way stokes the situation, or doesn't make easy and obvious attempts to stop it. Or if his "least liberal" actions only make things worse, then yes, they are responsible. even doing nothing does not remove an elected official from the duties they were elected for. They are specifically elected to represent the people and do public good. And none of this city burning is public good. And they can stop it, or encourage our country to stop it, but they aren't.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:03 am to cardswinagain
I need the live action since the Olympics were cancelled last Summer.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:05 am to junkfunky
quote:Honestly, though, a minority elected the Nazis into power so not a great example.
Sorry, but those German citizens just wanted to drive fast. It's not their fault a bunch of other bad shite happened.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:06 am to northshorebamaman
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Honestly, though, a minority elected the Nazis into power so not a great example.
That’s an interesting fact that most people don’t realize
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