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Why are most "University of _____" schools the better universities than "_____ State"
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:03 pm
LSU for Louisiana is one of the few exceptions. Why did LSU go with State and not University of Louisiana?
In most cases the State University is the black college:
Alabama State
Tennessee State
South Carolina State
Virginia State
Etc
But when the State University isn't an HBCU it's almost always the secondary school in a state
In terms of endowment, perception, etc
Arkansas > Arkansas State
Texas > Texas State
Iowa > Iowa State
Indiana > Indiana State
California > California State
Etc
Rare exceptions:
Louisiana, Ohio
In most cases the State University is the black college:
Alabama State
Tennessee State
South Carolina State
Virginia State
Etc
But when the State University isn't an HBCU it's almost always the secondary school in a state
In terms of endowment, perception, etc
Arkansas > Arkansas State
Texas > Texas State
Iowa > Iowa State
Indiana > Indiana State
California > California State
Etc
Rare exceptions:
Louisiana, Ohio
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:05 pm to The Boat
quote:
Texas State
That’s not even secondary in Texas, maybe tertiary
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:05 pm to The Boat
Penn State is flagship
(Penn is private Ivy League of course)
(Penn is private Ivy League of course)
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:05 pm to The Boat
Brain fart. Ignore.
Eta
Aren’t most _____ State University’s agricultural/mechanical schools while the University of schools are more traditional liberal arts centered schools?
Eta
Aren’t most _____ State University’s agricultural/mechanical schools while the University of schools are more traditional liberal arts centered schools?
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:06 pm to The Boat
Then there is Mississippi where the University of Mississippi and Mississippi State are both equally awful.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:06 pm to The Boat
quote:
LSU for Louisiana is one of the few exceptions
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:08 pm to The Boat
quote:
Why did LSU go with State and not University of Louisiana?
University of Louisiana was already taken, in 1847. The Louisiana Military Academy (forerunner to LSU) was founded in 1860.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:08 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
What?
Ohio State > Ohio
quote:
Then there is Mississippi where the University of Mississippi and Mississippi State are both equally awful.
There are a few states that are close to a push like Arizona and Mississippi but Arizona and Ole Miss both have a slight edge in endowment over the state school.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:09 pm to The Boat
quote:
Arkansas > Arkansas State
Not in football lately
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:09 pm to The Boat
My bad. I had a brain fart and read that he was saying Ohio was better than OSU.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:09 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
That’s not even secondary in Texas, maybe tertiary
Baylor, UNT, Houston, TAMU, Rice, and hell, maybe even Tech are better schools than TSU. It’s quite literally the “I didn’t get into Texas” school.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:10 pm to The Boat
Something to do with land grants.
Ag schools yield rednecks/blue collar workers, old liberal art schools yield elite snobs.
quote:
Signed by Abraham Lincoln, the first Morrill Act began to fund educational institutions by granting federally controlled land to the states for them to sell, to raise funds, to establish and endow "land-grant" colleges. The mission of these institutions as set forth in the 1862 Act is to focus on the teaching of practical agriculture, science, military science, and engineering (though "without excluding...classical studies") as a response to the industrial revolution and changing social class.[2][3] This mission was in contrast to the historic practice of higher education to focus on a liberal arts curriculum
Ag schools yield rednecks/blue collar workers, old liberal art schools yield elite snobs.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:12 pm to Pisgah Pete
quote:
Something to do with land grants.
University of Florida is a land grant school
Louisiana State University is a land grant school
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:14 pm to The Boat
quote:
In most cases the State University is the black college:
Alabama State
Tennessee State
South Carolina State
Virginia State
Louisiana State
FIFY
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:16 pm to The Boat
Oklahoma
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:17 pm to The Boat
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:17 pm to The Boat
quote:
University of Florida is a land grant school
Louisiana State University is a land grant school
After further research my land grant school argument doesn't hold up. About half the land grant schools were X State and half were University of X.
Interesting topic though because the rule (University of X is elite, X State is 2nd tier) does stand for majority of states. Hopefully someone smarter than me explains it.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:18 pm to theOG
quote:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma > Oklahoma State which falls in line with the subject of the thread. Not an exception, baw.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:19 pm to The Boat
I remember Memphis State people making this claim circa 1995 when they decided to become the University of Memphis. They really thought that changing their school's name would unlock some source of funding or prestige... or something. People really seemed to think that there was some sort of official priority assigned to "University of" schools.
No one was able to explain this to my satisfaction at that time, and the "University of Memphis" hasn't exactly set the world on fire. If anything, Memphis State > Memphis.
No one was able to explain this to my satisfaction at that time, and the "University of Memphis" hasn't exactly set the world on fire. If anything, Memphis State > Memphis.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:21 pm to Pisgah Pete
In a lot of the eastern states I’d be willing to bet that the University of Schools are more traditional liberal arts universities where the _______ State schools were more application focused.
Meaning traditionally more layers, doctors, and academics come from those schools while more engineers and other “practical” majors came from the state ones.
Meaning traditionally more layers, doctors, and academics come from those schools while more engineers and other “practical” majors came from the state ones.
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