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re: Why are drugs and prostitution illegal?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think science has clearly shown us that weed, LSD, mushrooms, and ecstasy shouldn't be illegal. can we all agree on those?
As far as Ectasy, there are so many variations. Pure MDMA is pretty safe, but in the early 00's people were adding small amounts of heroin to it and other drugs to get strange effects. Some people had medical issues with it. Though with ectasy as long as you stay hydrated you are fine.
With Mushrooms and LSD, as long as you do not think of anything negative in your life, and remember that it will be over eventually you are fine. With pot, there is really no bad effects other than you are comfortable where you are at when high. Meaning I've seen people who live in trash, but don't care as long as they stay high, though I know many many more profession potheads who make a great living and smoke like a normal person would have a beer (after work and weekends)
I think Cocaine is relatively safe, and believe that crack is more common due to it's cheap price (adding 40% baking soda to 60% coke so it's heavily cut, as coke is already cut with baby laxative and nail polish remover)
If Coke were legal, crack use would drop.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 11:20 am
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:17 am to stout
i get that, but i just can't see buyers keeping that sort of a market open. those home brewers do it for personal consumption usually
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:18 am to Darth_Vader
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I personally believe that when it becomes apparent that a a particular drug causes those who use it to become an overall negative drain on their community and society as a whole, then the government needs to do everything it can to stop that drug from being available.
I guess the issue with this logic is why only eliminate certain drugs and not other harmful things such as overeating? Alcohol (alcoholics are a drain on society)? What about drugs justifies certain ones being prohibited but overeating and alcohol is okay?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:19 am to Napoleon
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Pure MDMA is pretty safe, but in the early 00's people were adding small amounts of heroin to it
largely a myth
and if MDMA was legal, it would be pure/safe. that's one of the benefits of legalization. legitimacy has many benefits, purity being one
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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largely a myth
even if it isn't a myth, adding heroin to mdma doesn't make mdma harmful
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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largely a myth
I was one who always always said it was a lie, due to the high price of smack compared to the lower price of tabs. But I read some stuff about it on erowid.
Though older people always though LSD had Strychnine in it, and that turned out to be mostly a myth as well.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:22 am to Napoleon
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You are making huge assumptions that there is this huge network of dealers or something.
It's not so much a network as it is, if you are dealing in more than a couple ounces of pot, then there is a huge huge probability that they guy you are getting it from is dealing in a couple pounds or more, and that guy without a doubt can or knows someone who can get any drug you want.
Its not that hard. Almost anyone i ever knew who got the point that they were dealing any amount could've easily gotten any drug you waned.
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Most people who sell pot are people who figure they can buy a little extra and make enough back that their pot for themselves is free.
Almost anyone who has sold pot knows the guy he gets it from can get harder drugs if you want.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:22 am to Nonetheless
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adding heroin to mdma doesn't make mdma harmful
Mixing uppers and downers can be really bad for some people.
Whatever happened to Ketamine and GHB, used to be legal, then both got labeled as "date rape" drugs and disappeared. They were prety safe as long as you weren't with strangers.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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those home brewers do it for personal consumption usually
Yes and they share it with family and friends.
As easy as meth is to make, you don't think some people won't still make it if they can do so? I do especially if it's cheaper or they can still turn a small profit.
Legalizing it won't entirely shut down the black market for it. That's true for everything. Hell, there's a black market for about everything you can think of.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:22 am to Napoleon
MDMA cut with meth? or meth sold as MDMA? oh yeah
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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ecstasy is a great drug for counseling (much lower doses than recreational use). i believe that's where it got its start until the gay community of Dallas (i think) got ahold of it in the 80s and it became a huge party scene drug.
Going back to the Drugs Inc I watched on meth, they interviewed a gay guy in San Francisco who was a longtime meth user. He said that meth is hugely popular in the gay community there due to the fact it lowers inhibitions and makes sex highly intense. According to him, for many in the gay party scene there meth is becoming the drug of choice for those reasons. One side effect of this is more gay men who are high on meth are engaging in unprotected sex and this in turn will lead to increased spreading of HIV. This particular guy they interviewed was HIV positive, does (or did) meth on a regular basis and when high on meth engages in unprotected sex with multiple partners a night.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:23 am to Breesus
Do we actually have to have one of these threads every week?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:24 am to Nonetheless
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I guess the issue with this logic is why only eliminate certain drugs and not other harmful things such as overeating?
Because a person eating 12 big macs in one sitting never made them eat another person's face off or go on a PCP rampage.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:24 am to Napoleon
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Mixing uppers and downers can be really bad for some people.
Heroin makes the MDMA harmful -- not MDMA itself. No?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:25 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Do we actually have to have one of these threads every week?
you can not post in it if you want.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:26 am to Nonetheless
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Heroin makes the MDMA harmful -- not MDMA itself. No?
It's not that it's more harmful, as the doses are so small anyway. It's that some people seem to have really adverse reactions to opiods while on other drugs.
Like Slow said though with legalization you would know what you are getting.
Though from what I gather this newer Molly stuff is pretty much pure MDMA, and Ecstasy is a thing of the past like LSD>
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:26 am to Darth_Vader
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One side effect of this is more gay men who are high on meth are engaging in unprotected sex and this in turn will lead to increased spreading of HIV. This particular guy they interviewed was HIV positive, does (or did) meth on a regular basis and when high on meth engages in unprotected sex with multiple partners a night.
Bad argument though as that's personal responsibility. Don't get high and buttfrick strangers and you won't have to worry about HIV.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:26 am to stout
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Because a person eating 12 big macs in one sitting never made them eat another person's face off or go on a PCP rampage.
It makes them also shove that shite down their children's throats.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:27 am to Darth_Vader
meth is bigger with movie stars than people realize (or at least used to be). i'm aboug 95% sure that's what lohan was on way back when
los angeles tiger (RIP) used to eviscerate gay people and their meth addictions on the poli board
los angeles tiger (RIP) used to eviscerate gay people and their meth addictions on the poli board
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:28 am to Breesus
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It makes them also shove that shite down their children's throats.
You can't have this argument if you are for personal responsibility though. You can't argue that we should tell someone how to raise their kids and what to feed them and at the same time talk about personal freedoms and legalizing drugs.
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