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re: Why are drugs and prostitution illegal?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:44 am to stout
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:44 am to stout
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I do, but like I said earlier, thinking people will just sit home doing meth is naive. There's absolutely no way to guarantee that.
What makes you think legalizing meth will change anything?
Poor drug addicts and mental patients will still find a way to get high. But we wont throw them in jail for it. We can try and get them treatment. And if they commit a crime while intoxicated, then we can punish them for that crime, not for the possession of the drug.
You think people who don't do meth no will just start slamming meth into their systems everyday and driving around because it's illegal?
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That has done very little to discourage alcoholics, and even casual drinkers, from driving and endangering others.
ok
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Why do you think it would work for a harder substance that alters the mindset even more so and quicker than alcohol does?
Why do you think legalizing these drugs would change this? You think suddenly everyone on the road will be high on something? I'm not advocating that anything you do no drugs should be legal.
The people who want to do drugs will find them and they will do them. There's no reason to make this simple fact illegal.
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:46 am to Darth_Vader
The way you described the "average citizen" trying a drug and getting addicted tells me that you don't know very much about drugs. You just seem to have very rigid opinions about the subject.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:47 am to LucasP
It makes me question his whole biker persona.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:48 am to LucasP
Well said
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:48 am to stout
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It's not common but it does happen. I think that's more mental than physical though.
I was going to reply to this but I would have to write a book to explain how wrong you are on so many levels by this retarded statement. So I'll suffice it to say that you're dumb.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:51 am to Breesus
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You think suddenly everyone on the road will be high on something? I'm not advocating that anything you do no drugs should be legal.
No but if they are easier to obtain yes more people will try them and also people will not be as scared to have drugs in the car with them driving around which can lead to the temptation to use them while doing so.
I am all for letting someone do as many drugs as they want but for different reasons. My hope would be that they will OD and save society from dealing with them and to keep them from reproducing. Darwin and all that.
Realistically though there is no way for that to happen without innocent people becoming victims in some way or another.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:52 am to LucasP
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The way you described the "average citizen" trying a drug and getting addicted tells me that you don't know very much about drugs. You just seem to have very rigid opinions about the subject.
Thankfully I've never been drawn to hard drugs but I've had friends, acquaintances, and family who have had their lives ruined by becoming addicted to things like heroin and meth. I've seen the effects it's had on them and those around them and can tell you they are not good.
As for my opinion, I'm no different than anyone in this thread in that my opinions are based on my personal experiences with the subject at hand.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:54 am to Breesus
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It makes me question his whole biker persona.
Let's not hijack this thread with the usual pissing match. Not all bikers are drug addicts or even do drugs. There's a few guys in my chapter who don't even so much as drink.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:54 am to LucasP
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I was going to reply to this but I would have to write a book to explain how wrong you are on so many levels by this retarded statement. So I'll suffice it to say that you're dumb.
By mental I mean people are immediately addicted to it for the socialization of it. People that have never fit in anywhere start drugs and all of a sudden have a place in a group. That can be more addicting to some than the drugs themselves which leads to them wanting to do more and more as not to lose their place. I have seen it happen with a few people I knew.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:58 am to LSU1NSEC
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because at some point in the past society realized the cost of them being legal was more than the benefit
I know. Prohibition proves your point.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:00 pm to Darth_Vader
So your personal experience is losing loved ones to meth and heroin. Gotcha. It's natural that you would want to outlaw those things but it's a purely emotional response. If I lost a family member in a wreck where the seatbelt strangled him, I might want to outlaw seatbelts. But it would be stupid of me to crusade for that without doing some research and finding my emotional response was incorrect and seatbelts save more lives than they destroy.
Prohibition is dangerous and causes more violence than it prevents. If you try and look at it rationally you'll see that. But if you can't overcome you knee jerk emotional response then just don't vote.
Prohibition is dangerous and causes more violence than it prevents. If you try and look at it rationally you'll see that. But if you can't overcome you knee jerk emotional response then just don't vote.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:02 pm to stout
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By mental I mean people are immediately addicted to it for the socialization of it. People that have never fit in anywhere start drugs and all of a sudden have a place in a group. That can be more addicting to some than the drugs themselves which leads to them wanting to do more and more as not to lose their place. I have seen it happen with a few people I knew.
No no no. Just no to all of that. I'll argue with Darth but I'm not gonna argue against this much stupid.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:03 pm to Darth_Vader
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There's a few guys in my chapter who don't even so much as drink.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:05 pm to LucasP
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No no no. Just no to all of that. I'll argue with Darth but I'm not gonna argue against this much stupid.
Even if assuming stout is right (and he is not), his point has nothing to do with drugs.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:06 pm to LucasP
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So your personal experience is losing loved ones to meth and heroin. Gotcha. It's natural that you would want to outlaw those things but it's a purely emotional response. If I lost a family member in a wreck where the seatbelt strangled him, I might want to outlaw seatbelts. But it would be stupid of me to crusade for that without doing some research and finding my emotional response was incorrect and seatbelts save more lives than they destroy.
Prohibition is dangerous and causes more violence than it prevents. If you try and look at it rationally you'll see that. But if you can't overcome you knee jerk emotional response then just don't vote.
I base my opinion of drugs like meth & heroin not just on what I've seen personally but also on things I've learned about these drugs and their overall cost to society as a whole totally separate from the "war on drugs". Go back a few pages and see my post about the meth cook/addict at Vanderbilt Hospital in Nashville for a good example of what drugs like meth cost society not by being illegal, but simply by being used.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:07 pm to LucasP
Maybe I am wrong and naive. I always said I thought addicts were mentally weak abut I have no personal experience being addicted to anything so I could be way off.
I just think any struggle in life is 90% mental.
I just think any struggle in life is 90% mental.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:08 pm to Nonetheless
There are actually people in this world, that defend and actually advocate for the legality of drugs....
Yikes.
Yikes.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:11 pm to Darth_Vader
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I base my opinion of drugs like meth & heroin not just on what I've seen personally but also on things I've learned about these drugs and their overall cost to society as a whole totally separate from the "war on drugs". Go back a few pages and see my post about the meth cook/addict at Vanderbilt Hospital in Nashville for a good example of what drugs like meth cost society not by being illegal, but simply by being used.
Damn Darth, you don't think much of me do you? I read that and honestly it's a better argument against prohibition. It just seems like you're taking the obvious facts and saying they support your emotional position but they don't. I just want you to look at it objectively and maybe do some research that doesn't come from anti drug propaganda.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:14 pm to AUjim
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There are actually people in this world, that defend and actually advocate for the legality of drugs....
There are people in this world that do not look into things fully and objectively.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:15 pm to LucasP
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I read that and honestly it's a better argument against prohibition.
How so? How would meth being legal lessen the $300,000,000 cost that one hospital faces yearly from treating dug addicts?
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It just seems like you're taking the obvious facts and saying they support your emotional position but they don't.
What facts are you referring to?
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I just want you to look at it objectively and maybe do some research that doesn't come from anti drug propaganda.
I have looked at it objectively. That's why I'm in favor of legalizing drugs like marijuana and even drugs like LSD and mushrooms. It's also why I'm in favor of drugs like meth and heroin remaining illegal.
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