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re: Why are drugs and prostitution illegal?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:28 am to stout
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:28 am to stout
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Don't get high and buttfrick strangers and you won't have to worry about HIV.
This is a foriegn concept to most as you will be called a homophobe or whatever.
Meth didn't make that guy buttfrick strangers without condoms on every day. Being a terrible person with no personal responsibility did that.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 11:31 am
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:30 am to stout
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You can't have this argument if you are for personal responsibility though. You can't argue that we should tell someone how to raise their kids and what to feed them and at the same time talk about personal freedoms and legalizing drugs.
I'm arguing that it should all be legal.
You said PCP made people go on rampages who otherwise never ever woudlve done harm to anyone.
I said you can apply the same argument to fast food.
I was playing devils advocate.
You shouldnt get to pick and choose which freedoms you think others should be able to have.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:31 am to Nonetheless
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I guess the issue with this logic is why only eliminate certain drugs and not other harmful things such as overeating? Alcohol (alcoholics are a drain on society)? What about drugs justifies certain ones being prohibited but overeating and alcohol is okay?
I think this goes back to there being a gray area in many things. Yes, if you drink a bottle of whiskey every day, you're going to be a problem for your family and society as a whole. But most people who like whiskey will not go to this extreme. I'm a great example. I'll buy a liter of bourbon and that will last me usually at least month, sometimes more.
And the same applies to fast food. Running through the drive through at Burger King or McDonald's every now and then is no problem so long as you don't do it all the time and you live a overall healthy lifestyle that includes a balanced diet and exercise.
So when it comes to alcohol, fast food, and even tobacco, it's quite possible to consume these things in moderation and have no overall negative affect on yourself of society.
Hard drugs like heroin & meth on the other hand are highly additive substances that if the average person tires them will become addicted and need every increasing amounts on an ever increasing basis.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:33 am to Darth_Vader
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Hard drugs like heroin & meth on the other hand are highly additive substances that if the average person tires them will become addicted and need every increasing amounts on an ever increasing basis.
Would legalizing hard drugs increase the amount of people already using them while they are illegal? You would think so on first thought, but i'm not so sure usage would go up.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:33 am to Breesus
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You shouldnt get to pick and choose which freedoms you think others should be able to have.
So you are OK if I drive on the same road as you after downing a 12 pack and a few shots? That's my personal freedom you're infringing on otherwise.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:33 am to Darth_Vader
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Hard drugs like heroin & meth on the other hand are highly additive substances that if the average person tires them will become addicted and need every increasing amounts on an ever increasing basis.
That's not factually correct.
If a normal person tried heroin once, they don't suddenly become a desperate destitute dick sucking dreg on society.
It's actually much much more similar to this:
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if you drink a bottle of whiskey every day, you're going to be a problem for your family and society as a whole. But most people who like whiskey will not go to this extreme. I'm a great example. I'll buy a liter of bourbon and that will last me usually at least month, sometimes more.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:35 am to stout
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Bad argument though as that's personal responsibility. Don't get high and buttfrick strangers and you won't have to worry about HIV.
Actually part of the argument I was making is that it's been proven that using meth makes a person lose their impulse control and while high on meth they also lose many of their normal inhibitions. So while a sober person would always make sure to practice safe sex, that same person when high on meth would lose that inhibition and impulse control and engage in unsafe sex, thus exposing themselves to STD's.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:36 am to Darth_Vader
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Hard drugs like heroin & meth on the other hand are highly additive substances that if the average person tires them will become addicted and need every increasing amounts on an ever increasing basis.
Serious question: is that really how you think "hard drugs" work? Someone tries something and becomes addicted right off the bat?
In not gonna knight for heroin or meth but there are more casual users of both than addicts.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:36 am to Breesus
You want your kids having access to crack?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:37 am to crimsonsaint
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You want your kids having access to crack?
be a better parent
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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i get that, but i just can't see buyers keeping that sort of a market open. those home brewers do it for personal consumption usually
As a homebrewer, I attest to that.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:37 am to stout
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So you are OK if I drive on the same road as you after downing a 12 pack and a few shots? That's my personal freedom you're infringing on otherwise.
Do you not understand the difference between doing heroin in your house and driving around shitfaced?
Once you enter the public sphere where you have a high probability to do danger we are in a different discussion. That's no longer personal freedom. You are now infringing on others.
Just like alcohol, you make drugs legal, and you up the penalty for doing things while under the influence of those drugs.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:38 am to LucasP
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Someone tries something and becomes addicted right off the bat?
It's not common but it does happen. I think that's more mental than physical though.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:38 am to crimsonsaint
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You want your kids having access to crack?
My kids already have access to crack. It's not that hard to find illegal drugs. In many instances, it's easier than legal ones.
And fast food. and alcohol. and tobacco. and cough syrup. and sudafed. and the list goes on and on and on.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:40 am to Breesus
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Do you not understand the difference between doing heroin in your house and driving around shitfaced?
I do, but like I said earlier, thinking people will just sit home doing meth is naive. There's absolutely no way to guarantee that.
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Just like alcohol, you make drugs legal, and you up the penalty for doing things while under the influence of those drugs.
That has done very little to discourage alcoholics, and even casual drinkers, from driving and endangering others. Why do you think it would work for a harder substance that alters the mindset even more so and quicker than alcohol does?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:40 am to Darth_Vader
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Actually part of the argument I was making is that it's been proven that using meth makes a person lose their impulse control and while high on meth they also lose many of their normal inhibitions. So while a sober person would always make sure to practice safe sex, that same person when high on meth would lose that inhibition and impulse control and engage in unsafe sex, thus exposing themselves to STD's.
So then they shouldn't use meth. But if they do choose to use meth then they have to live with the consequences of their obnoxiously stupid decision to get high on meth and have unprotected sex with strangers.
Either way, the government shouldn't dictate that behavior.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:41 am to Breesus
uggghhh ..ccuuuuzz... they both lead to violent and organized crime.
They ruin famlies, cause addiction, cause increases in murder....just a few reasons
They ruin famlies, cause addiction, cause increases in murder....just a few reasons
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:41 am to TigerMyth36
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I've never quite understood how Roe v Wade isn't used to make them legal.
If a woman has a right to her body why doesn't that extend to drugs and prostitution.
That's a good point. But based on this, drugs and prostitution should be legal before abortion because abortion involves someone's body besides the woman.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:41 am to LucasP
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Serious question: is that really how you think "hard drugs" work? Someone tries something and becomes addicted right off the bat?
In not gonna knight for heroin or meth but there are more casual users of both than addicts.
I've never heard of anyone becoming addicted literally "right off the bat". But let's not kid ourselves and think that a person using them on an ongoing, even what they think is "casual" basis, is not putting themselves in real danger of becoming addicted to those drugs. And once addicted, the habit for many of these drugs is extremely hard to break.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:42 am to Shane4689
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