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Posted on 8/30/22 at 7:19 am to cypresstiger
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What? No Muslim outreach? Maybe we should let the woman and POC construct a moon mosque while there.
—-it’ll be a Muslim woman of color
I listen to CNN HLN in the truck because it's pretty much Forensic Files and True Crime stuff from dusk til dawn. After the launch was scrubbed and we got back in the truck, CNN HLN daytime edition turned on and they were talking about the launch. And I kid you not, they were solely focused on how important this launch was because... diversity. To them it's more important that we get a woman and person of color on the moon than anything else. frick science, just get underrepresented groups to the moon!
Posted on 8/30/22 at 7:29 am to LSU Jonno
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But also, the more aggressive your project, the more new technologies you are developing, and the more you are going to have unforseen problems that blow your cost and schedule estimates out of the water.
But there's very little new or aggressive with SLS (OK maybe a bit new stuff with the crew capsule on top). The rocket itself is a recycled Saturn V rocket basically, with no need for years of delays and cost overruns if a halfway competent contractor was building it.
We built Saturn V with an aggressive mindset and a legit drive to get to the moon. We built SLS with a laissez faire mindset and a drive to save jobs in Huntsville and more concerned with identity politics of the gender or skin color of which astronaut steps on the moon again first. SLS will never deliver astronauts to orbit and those tens of billions should have been allocated to SpaceX starship instead, if so we would have already had astronauts on the moon by now.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 7:38 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 7:32 am to LSU Jonno
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There is nothing that comes close to SLS's raw power today in its Block 1 form or in its Block 1B or Block 2 evolved versions. Even Starship is "already obsolete" based on payload to orbit.
SLS is ~$4 billion per launch while Starship will be $5-10M per launch, so you can do 10 Starship launches to refuel a tanker Starship in orbit for ~$50-100M and then get just as much payload to deep space as SLS can.
An even more important aspect you are ignoring is launch cadence. We can do maybe what 1-2 SLS launches per year max? While SpaceX can build a fleet of a thousand Starships and do tens of thousands of launches per year given the rapid reusability. So the annual payload to orbit that the Starship program can achieve will easily be 1000X what the SLS program will be able to do.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 7:38 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:02 am to GeneralLee
quote:To be launched from where, exactly? Do you really think anyone is going to be making more than thirty launches a day with no days off? Even if the physical infrastructure existed to support that, which it absolutely does not, there's nowhere near the human infrastructure to monitor that many missions and perform that many safety and maintenance checks.
a fleet of a thousand Starships and do tens of thousands of launches per year
We got it a dozen posts ago, you don't like SLS/NASA for launches and you Stan for SpaceX. That doesn't mean you need to post a bunch of bullshite here.
For this mission to work, both SLS and Starship need to work. Cheering for one at the expense of the other achieves nothing and is anti-productive.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:32 am to CrazyTigerFan
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To be launched from where, exactly? Do you really think anyone is going to be making more than thirty launches a day with no days off? Even if the physical infrastructure existed to support that, which it absolutely does not, there's nowhere near the human infrastructure to monitor that many missions and perform that many safety and maintenance checks.
We got it a dozen posts ago, you don't like SLS/NASA for launches and you Stan for SpaceX. That doesn't mean you need to post a bunch of bull shite here.
For this mission to work, both SLS and Starship need to work. Cheering for one at the expense of the other achieves nothing and is anti-productive.
Guy is a fanboy that has no clue about the subject he's ranting.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 8:55 am to CrazyTigerFan
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To be launched from where, exactly?
Crewed Starship launches will be from two pads at Cape Canerval while uncrewed Starship launches will be from the ocean in several old oil rigs that SpaceX is currently working on converting into mobile launch platforms. Probably 95%+ of the volume of launches will be from the ocean platforms.
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For this mission to work, both SLS and Starship need to work
I agree to this in a limited scope with regards to the Artemis mission. But long term, for the safety of the astronauts, they need to be on Starships not on SLS rockets.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:02 pm to GeneralLee
The other thing to note is that SLS is being used to justify the lunar gateway, another unnecessary expense. You could simply send starships to land on the moon from LEO.
Please don’t get me wrong-I grew up a huge NASA fanboy. Times have changed though, and Congress and the original NASA contractors are having a difficult time adjusting to the new paradigm.
Please don’t get me wrong-I grew up a huge NASA fanboy. Times have changed though, and Congress and the original NASA contractors are having a difficult time adjusting to the new paradigm.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:19 pm to LSU Jonno
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Biden gets re-elected, I doubt he'll cancel anything since this has a lot of Obama fingerprints on it
Isn't this Trump's program? Obama canceled Constellation, which was a Bush program.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:37 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Isn't this Trump's program? Obama canceled Constellation, which was a Bush program.
On 15 April 2010, President Obama spoke at the Kennedy Space Center, announcing the administration's plans for NASA and cancelling the non-Orion elements of Constellation on the premise that the program had become nonviable.[22] He instead proposed US$6 billion in additional funding and called for development of a new heavy lift rocket program to be ready for construction by 2015 with crewed missions to Mars orbit by the mid-2030s.
On 11 October 2010, President Obama signed into law the NASA Authorization Act of 2010, which included requirements for the immediate development of the Space Launch System as a follow-on launch vehicle to the Space Shuttle, and continued development of a Crew Exploration Vehicle to be capable of supporting missions beyond low Earth orbit starting in 2016, while making use of the workforce, assets, and capabilities of the Space Shuttle program, Constellation program, and other NASA programs. The law also invested in space technologies and robotics capabilities tied to the overall space exploration framework, ensured continued support for Commercial Orbital Transportation Services, Commercial Resupply Services, and expanded the Commercial Crew Development program.
wiki
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:09 pm to LSU Jonno
Looking like a plan is being put in place to address issues from Monday and get us back into launch posture for Friday.
This is still preliminary obviously.
ETA: Next attempt is Saturday.
This is still preliminary obviously.
ETA: Next attempt is Saturday.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 5:11 pm to noonan
Glad the Others said we can come back to the moon now, even though we have to go to the poles. This time no damn littering. (if you really understand this you probably worked at NASA in the 70s) lol
Posted on 9/3/22 at 8:44 am to whiskey over ice
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Apparently there's a leak now
There continue to be leaks.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:13 am to Philzilla2k
We are here again, enjoying the beach because this piece of antiquated shiat most likely not launching today.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:46 am to concrete_tiger
Scrubbing today
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:58 am to LSU Jonno
NASASpaceflight guys are like "scrub is coming"
Posted on 9/3/22 at 10:05 am to rt3
They need to shut down this failure of a program and let SpaceX handle it.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 10:14 am to GeorgeTheGreek
If we folded like a cheap tent at the first sign of problems humanity would never accomplish anything.
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