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re: Whites at top colleges would go from 66% to 75% if SAT only admission criteria
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:00 am to slackster
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:00 am to slackster
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I'll take my subjective team of well qualified doctors
hopefully you're good at selecting doctors subjectively, otherwise might want to up that malpractice insurance.
"I'm better at selecting doctors based on my feels instead of any sort of quantifiable metric".
fricking ridiculous.
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:03 am to tigerskin
You don't even systemic racism
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:25 am to slackster
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How can it be a weakness when it's made up of similarly qualified people? Only on the OT/Political Talk is a well qualified team with multiple backgrounds considered weak.
Lack of trust. Trouble communicating. Difficulty in coming to mutual agreement.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:31 am to tigerskin
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the combined share of black and Latino students would decrease from 19% to 11%.
Why’d they combine these two demographics?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:31 am to Antonio Moss
To appear not so white and elitist
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:33 am to NIH
The son of one of my Nepalese gerkhas is struggling to get into McNeese. I think you may be on to something!
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:56 am to CptRusty
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hopefully you're good at selecting doctors subjectively, otherwise might want to up that malpractice insurance.
"I'm better at selecting doctors based on my feels instead of any sort of quantifiable metric".
fricking ridiculous.
What's ridiculous is you suggesting interviews and how someone fits is irrelevant. The quantifiable metrics are helpful tools, but subjective measures absolutely matter.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 10:02 am to baldona
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You are moving the goal post. They aren’t similarly qualified, that’s the entire point here. Some races and minorities are allowed lower requirements on average to get in ONLY to increase diversity NOT because they are otherwise better candidates.
You're not following my argument the entire thread. I'm discussing how I would do it, not necessarily how individual colleges view it.
I believe you should establish a minimum level using quantifiable metric(s), then select from that pool using subjective measures.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 10:48 am to CptRusty
My affirmative action story:
My medical school class was 160 students, 150 white/asian/ and 10 black.
The 10 black students were mainly from HBUs while the white/asians were from mainly top tier universities (except for my honky arse from LSU)
Graduation stats for the white/asians was 149/150 (one guy had a mental breakdown and dropped out)
Graduation stats for the black students was 0/10 - none of them made it past the first 2 years.
My medical school class was 160 students, 150 white/asian/ and 10 black.
The 10 black students were mainly from HBUs while the white/asians were from mainly top tier universities (except for my honky arse from LSU)
Graduation stats for the white/asians was 149/150 (one guy had a mental breakdown and dropped out)
Graduation stats for the black students was 0/10 - none of them made it past the first 2 years.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:25 pm to slackster
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What's ridiculous is you suggesting interviews and how someone fits is irrelevant
No, I am suggesting that selection with any other goal than finding the best and brightest will lead to inferior enrollment population. I am suggesting that diversity is not a virtue ipso facto. I am suggesting that discrimination based on race is wrong no matter who does it or why.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:28 pm to nvcowboyfan
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My medical school class was 160 students, 150 white/asian/ and 10 black.
The 10 black students were mainly from HBUs while the white/asians were from mainly top tier universities (except for my honky arse from LSU)
Graduation stats for the white/asians was 149/150 (one guy had a mental breakdown and dropped out)
Graduation stats for the black students was 0/10 - none of them made it past the first 2 years.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Absolute garbage.
The other problem with affirmative action is that it undermines the achievements of minorities who do bust arse and earn their spot through merit.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:48 pm to lsupride87
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slackster is arguing a white guy running a 4.57, an asian running a 4.59, and a black person running a 4.54 is a better team than
3 black guys who run 4.48, 4.51, and 4.50
Because diversity is strength
He'll have some excuse as to why this example isn't appropriate in the diversity discussion because Bernie doesn't have an answer for it.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:51 pm to Dandy Lion
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Dandy Lion
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Stanford, eh?
Stanford > anything in Atlanta area.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:56 pm to tigerskin
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People that have white kids trying to get into top colleges. So I assume that isn’t you.
Nice where they looking?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:21 pm to reauxl tigers
quote:Why? The Asians that live here are comprised of the best and brightest that came here from their original country. The dumbasses generally don't make it here to America.
I'm surprised at the Asian stat.
shite, the Chinese communists went around killing all of the smart people during the cultural revolution. It's why their modern economy consists of counterfeited ideas and products from the West.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:45 pm to Scruffy
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Why should we discriminate against Asians for having better scores? Why should race play a factor at all?
Another thing is everyone from the continent of Asia falls into one category. So yeah that includes Chinese, Indian, Korean, etc. but it also includes people from places that aren't as well off (compared to the above mentioned groups) in the US like Laos or Syria.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:10 pm to slackster
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believe you should establish a minimum level using quantifiable metric(s), then select from that pool using subjective measures.
The problem with this is that you have certain demographics that would have hardly anyone get in, and the liberal leaders can’t handle that.
I’m making up stats here but they want say 10% Latino and your minimum criteria would be at a point where only 1% would be Latino because the vast majority of the highest achievers are Asian and white.
This is another topic, but does anywhere like a HBU have a med school? What we honestly should do is that they take the jobs that require easier academics such as being a pediatrician (maybe bad example) instead of a surgeon. This is essentially what happens in undergrad once you are in school. You can try the pre med or pre engineering, but if you don’t have the grades you have to pick a different degree.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:38 pm to baldona
Strangely, it never seemed like factoring in things like legacy admissions, a convenient "donation" accompanying a letter of rec., etc. caused much of an outrage.*
Then there are things like sports ability being factored in, but I'm not gonna kick about that one.
If I had to guess, those sorts of things skew the "qualified = admitted" factor more than things like race or background.
* outside of celebrities buying their kids rowing scholarships and the like, anyway.
Then there are things like sports ability being factored in, but I'm not gonna kick about that one.
If I had to guess, those sorts of things skew the "qualified = admitted" factor more than things like race or background.
* outside of celebrities buying their kids rowing scholarships and the like, anyway.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:40 pm to tigerskin
Being smart is racist
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:07 pm to Methuselah
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Strangely, it never seemed like factoring in things like legacy admissions, a convenient "donation" accompanying a letter of rec., etc. caused much of an outrage
I never really thought about it much until recently but I certainly benefitted by things outside my resume. I got into a T10 law school where I was a bubble admission at least in part because I was a triple legacy and my grandfather was on the faculty for over 20 years. Particularly elite college admissions have never been a true meritocracy and the squealing is always the ones on the other side of the "subjective" analysis. In the end, nobody is happy until a system is at least fair if not more than fair to them but as I constantly am told life ain't always fair.
It is like having to know someone to get on at a plant, at some point the companies will feel obligated to swing away from that and some baws that are highly qualified won't get hired because their uncle or cousin vouches for them.
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