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re: Which one has set back US race relations more?

Posted on 11/21/15 at 7:51 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 7:51 am to
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One question though, if AAs are so passionate about justice why do they refuse to offer information anonymously to investigators when they've witnessed a crime?

this is a solid question

another is this

if black people/supporters are so passionate about creating a better justice system, why do they want to promote the idea that due process is not important (which they do when police are ascertaining the criminal culpability of non-blacks who are accused of killing blacks)?

Ex: look at the legal standards they demanded for zimmerman and wilson. if that were the general law, young black males would be frickED
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 7:52 am to
Rodney King /thread.
Posted by BRgetthenet
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 7:53 am to
There is too much logic in that post.

Logic is racist.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 7:54 am to
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people are histrionic and irrational about Obama



In your opinion, without the president giving legitimacy to these idiots would we be in the same place?

Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:01 am to
Obama and it's not even close.
Take race out of the equation and Zimmerman is a guy who killed a guy for winning a fight. That happens every day. The media helped certain black groups turn it into something else and Obama fueled the fire by abusing his position. He then did the same every opportunity he got.

Also, Zimmerman isn't white, he's Hispanic. He didn't change the black/Hispanic relationship.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:04 am to
So many don't want a consistent application of uniform law, they want the Gladiator, Ceasar thumb up/down style of immediate judgement by the mob.

This isn't true of only black folks, although they do throw in a racial element (e.g. White on black crime means instant guilt).
This post was edited on 11/21/15 at 8:05 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:07 am to
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In your opinion, without the president giving legitimacy to these idiots would we be in the same place?

i personally think it was stupid and should have been criticized more, but his "support" hasn't been some major act

yeah he did pull out the "my son" line with trayvon but that was years before BLM

he sent the DOJ down to ferguson and they didn't find any illegalities with that individual incident

but, in the end of the day, he's a modern liberal with lots of progressive in him (especially if you believe the rumors :rimshot:). it is to be expected with a liberal with progressive-inclination. he's not out there leading these protests or anything though
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Zimmerman. all of this BLM stuff started there and there wasn't another major, national incident for a long time after. when mike brown happened, the embers were already hot and were just waiting for some tinder to take off

people are histrionic and irrational about Obama

Right! Because Zimmerman has had a national platform for 7 years to promote racial division and class warfare like your hero.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:12 am to
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Sharpton


Posted by tigers win2
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:16 am to
Neither. The Media.

They hype or ignore stories and include or exclude details to create controversy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:17 am to
quote:

like your hero

wut
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:22 am to
quote:

people are histrionic and irrational about Obama



Theres nothing irrational about faulting the leader of the country that is worse off now on every level than it has been in years- possibly ever. What part of his tenure has resulted in a net positive gain? Are race relations better today? Not according to the blacks. Is the economy better? Is the climate game community thrilled with BO? How bout our foreign policy? Are we more or less safe? Respected? Are we still a world leader in the eyes of other nations? Most would say "no".
All of this has happened or accelerated during Obama's time.
So what part of that is histrionic or irrational?
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:24 am to
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Theres nothing irrational about faulting the leader of the country that is worse off now on every level than it has been in years- possibly ever.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:26 am to
Feel free to illustrate where we are excelling.
Posted by Easy
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:27 am to
quote:

Social media.


And regarding the two choices given, why is it that only white people think that Obamama has set back race relations? Everyone can see what happened with Zimmerman whether they agree with reactions or not.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:28 am to
quote:

Theres nothing irrational about faulting the leader of the country that is worse off now on every level than it has been in years- possibly ever.

well for one, violent crime is lower now than at any point during the presidencies of reagan or either bush

#LogicBomb
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:29 am to
Not in New Orleans.

Rape and murder are both up in 2015.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:30 am to
quote:

why is it that only white people think that Obamama has set back race relations?

well in many/most instances, black people as a political bloc are irrational about certain issues. a major one is supporting DEMs

you can ignore obama's race or any self-serving commentary he's made on race and that irrationality would lead to the same results

hillary clinton or john kerry could have been president and done the same shite and they'd get the same reactions
Posted by Hangit
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:30 am to
quote:

The Media.


quote:

They hype or ignore stories and include or exclude details to create controversy.


The media include the opinions provided to them as fact. This often occurs before all the facts have been gathered. Public sentiment is molded early, then becomes almost unchangeable after the facts trickle in.

This caused the uproar during Zimmerman and Ferguson. Reporting that criminals were killed while assaulting people does not sell as much air time as reporting that racists shot innocents.

One criminal had a can of "iced tea" even when the facts clearly showed he did not. I have never understood why this fact was changed.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/21/15 at 8:31 am to
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Logic bomb



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