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re: Which is the most important branch of the military?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:20 am to rebeloke
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:20 am to rebeloke
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We have to rescue downed helicopter pilots and their crews all the time. Most of the casualties are listed as training accidents because they were classified missions. So many of these missions go unreported.
The last 2 pilots that I can recall going down behind enemy lines were rescued by Marines
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:22 am to hikingfan
Probably the Navy since they combine sea, air and ground assault capability in a worldwide mobile platform.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:23 am to monsterballads
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yeah the SEAL's. what a joke right? surely airforce PJ's are more important.
two totally different mission sets
but one the subject of Seals and PJ's here is a little education for you.
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Staff Sgt. Kyle Klapperich, 23rd Special Tactics Squadron, Hurlburt Field, Fla.
Klapperich served as the sole medic on a team of Navy Seals and Afghan commandos in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. While performing an operation near an insurgent stronghold, the team found themselves in an area full of improvised explosive devices. After a first explosion, Klapperich rendered aid to several members of the team, including an Afghan commando who was critically injured and fell onto a pressure plate IED. Klapperich continued to render medical care even as an explosive ordnance specialist disabled the explosive.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:23 am to hikingfan
All serve a vital role. Each makes the others stronger. Takes all 4 to win a war....so, none more important than the others. (Not including coast guard here...). Its a symbiotic relationship with each puzzle piece doing a job that benefits and strengthens the other pieces. Without all the pieces, you can't complete the puzzle. .....'MERICA!
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:24 am to Mear
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you are not making a strong case for the Navy, posting all this dumb shite
makes it even worse if he is serving or did serve
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:24 am to hikingfan
Depends... Are we talking projection of power, bar fights, or most politically correct?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:25 am to hikingfan
Navy and it's not even close
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:26 am to StraightCashHomey21
I think the PJs are awesome but that story is nothing that medics from any branch wouldn't do in similar circumstances. Throughout history US combat medics have proven themselves time and again.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:29 am to terd ferguson
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I think the PJs are awesome but that story is nothing that medics from any branch wouldn't do in similar circumstances. Throughout history US combat medics have proven themselves time and again.
But the PJ medic skill set is unmatched and thats why they deploy across all the branches. Either with Seals, CCT's, Green Berets or Rangers.
Not many regular combat medics have the ability to insert via free fall or go to dive school.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:31 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Not many regular combat medics have the ability to insert via free fall or go to dive school.
They're not special because they can do that. There are plenty of medics in the army and Corpsmen in the Navy that can do all that. The only reason that PJs deploy with those units is so they can have something to do.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:32 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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They're not special because they can do that. There are plenty of medics in the army and Corpsmen in the Navy that can do all that.
but they don't and we both know that type of training is saved for the best of the best
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The only reason that PJs deploy with those units is so they can have something to do.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:34 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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When was the last time a PJ actually rescued a downed pilot?
I know of one in 2003 during OIF, but I'm sure there's more. The thing is the AF is so much more advanced aircraft wise that their mission shifted to pulling infantrymen out of sitting spots when normal medivac couldn't.
They also retrieved that one guy in Afghanistan.. I think his name is Marcus Luttrell or something.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:36 am to brass2mouth
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I know of one in 2003 during OIF, but I'm sure there's more. The thing is the AF is so much more advanced aircraft wise that their mission shifted to pulling infantrymen out of sitting spots when normal medivac couldn't.
They also retrieved that one guy in Afghanistan.. I think his name is Marcus Luttrell or something.
Or we could talk about the ones on Roberts Ridge, one of which was KIA.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 10:37 am
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:38 am to StraightCashHomey21
Don't laugh bro. It's true and you know it. If Air Force spec ops disappeared tomorrow we wouldn't skip a beat. The Army and Navy and Marines are more than capable of producing medics and JTACs. The AF has ridiculous amounts of funding though so they spend it on overlapping ground forces so they can thump their chest and say they were in the fight too.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Army and Navy and Marines are more than capable of producing medics and JTACs.
whoa there
Big reason why they want AF guys talking to aircraft in the sky.
My friend went through JTAC QC with a Comm Green Beret, he said dude was completely lost.
AF JTAC's either, TACP or CCT are the best in the game. There is a reason they are in such high demand from the sister services.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:45 am to StraightCashHomey21
The PJ motto is pretty badass though...
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:48 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Big reason why they want AF guys talking to aircraft in the sky.
My friend went through JTAC QC with a Comm Green Beret, he said dude was completely lost.
AF JTAC's either, TACP or CCT are the best in the game. There is a reason they are in such high demand from the sister services.
The Marines don't get JTACs from the AF. There isn't even a career field for JTACs in the Marines. We just pick guys who aren't retards and send them to the school Then the go back to their companies and platoons and do their job and when we need air we they get on the hook and talk to airplanes. And the Marines are without a doubt still considered the kings of CAS.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:51 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Marines don't get JTACs from the AF. There isn't even a career field for JTACs in the Marines. We just pick guys who aren't retards and send them to the school
still don't have the scope of training, at an ASOS, ASOC ASOG and STS CAS is their life.
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And the Marines are without a doubt still considered the kings of CAS.
now comes the pissing contest
Having AF JTACS gives the Army and sometimes Marines less to worry about. Guy just shows up with his own shite and they know he's had a frick ton of training to become a true subject matter expert on talking to AF,Navy,Marines and Army air frames.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
All I know is that every one of you frickers go to Benning for jump school
therefore, Army > All
therefore, Army > All
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:55 am to StraightCashHomey21
The point is that AF spec ops are complete overlap of capabilities. They're just nice to have but they aren't critical. If shite ever hits the fan and we have to choose between AF spec ops and all the other shite like Bombers and Fighters and Tankers and Cargo, which is more important. Which mission could the other services take over relatively easily if they needed to. Which capabilities do the services already have to an extent. All the AF spec ops jobs could easily be folded into the army or navy. The Army and Navy can't all of the sudden take over the other air force missions.
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