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re: Which is the most important branch of the military?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:17 pm to HeadChange
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:17 pm to HeadChange
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Gone are the days of making fun of them for being DoT
I don't think we even bother making fun of them anymore.
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:19 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Puddle Pirates was always my favorite insult to another service. Chair Force is a distant second
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:20 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
So much fail in this thread.
The AF SoF literally have no equals at their specific skill set. They have 2 years of training. Our pilots whom they rescue have extraordinarily sensitive intel. They are a high valued target. Fighter pilots literally are worth millions to the AF in terms of their replacement cost. Often pilots understandably go down and need significant medical attention. So you have to have the ability to extract (always hot) and stabilize the target.
If you want to know what an AF SoF trooper is all about, take the kick assness of a SEAL and throw in the equivalent skill of a medic and the mentality of a kamikaze pilot. They literally flight into regions hundreds of miles behind enemy lines where often army or navy or a pilot/crew just got their arse' kicked.
The AF SoF literally have no equals at their specific skill set. They have 2 years of training. Our pilots whom they rescue have extraordinarily sensitive intel. They are a high valued target. Fighter pilots literally are worth millions to the AF in terms of their replacement cost. Often pilots understandably go down and need significant medical attention. So you have to have the ability to extract (always hot) and stabilize the target.
If you want to know what an AF SoF trooper is all about, take the kick assness of a SEAL and throw in the equivalent skill of a medic and the mentality of a kamikaze pilot. They literally flight into regions hundreds of miles behind enemy lines where often army or navy or a pilot/crew just got their arse' kicked.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:22 pm to rebeloke
I think he used to be in the AF, fwiw.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:22 pm to rebeloke
Nobody is saying they aren't any good. We're saying that it is complete overlap and the mission could easily be accomplished by the other services, and it more often than not is.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:26 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Complete overlap? No other branch has both special ops and medical skill set all in one. No other SF has a full 2 year training just to graduate. They are very unique. What you are saying is like saying a GB could replace a SEAL. AF SoF are unlike any other SF.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:26 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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We didn't. Our equipment was on ships circling the island of Cypress waiting for Turkey to decide whether or not we were going to be allowed to stage in their country at Iskanderia to move south.
Finally we found out it would be through Kuwait as we watched 3ID go up north on TV while our flights were still being booked.
4th ID?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:26 pm to Drew Orleans
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I think he used to be in the AF, fwiw.
I did the Air Guard thing for about 6 months after I got out of the Corps. I was gonna do TACP and when I enlisted I was told it was a 3 month school with the option to go to follow on shcools like jump and SERE later. After I joined my unit they told me there was the 3 TACP course, then a 3 month course in Oklahoma specifically for guard TACPs, then jump and SERE and then 90 "conditioning" days at my unit. I didn't feel like doing a year worth of active duty just to call in air. I'm 32 with kids and a job and shite, so I just swithced to the Army guard.
FWIW, the TACP's I met at the unit were top notch guys.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:30 pm to rebeloke
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Complete overlap? No other branch has both special ops and medical skill set all in one. No other SF has a full 2 year training just to graduate. They are very unique. What you are saying is like saying a GB could replace a SEAL. AF SoF are unlike any other SF.
Yes, it's complete overlap. There are GB medics that are just as capable as PJs. There are Navy corpsmen that are just as capable as PJs. A Ranger or GB team is just as capable of rescuing a downed pilot as PJs are. Hell, when Scott O'Grady went down in Bosnia and when that F-15 went down in Libya regular Marine infantry went into get them, not even recon guys. Just regular infantry. It's not exactly the hardest thing in the world to do.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 6:16 pm to dreaux
Wrong. China has 1
Posted on 5/30/15 at 6:21 pm to JAXTiger16
The answer is navy by far. Most skill sets over any other branch.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 6:22 pm to rebeloke
Man, you suck their penises any harder and you are going to stroke out.
Most important branch? Army. Always has been.
Most important branch? Army. Always has been.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 6:54 pm to hikingfan
Big world war? Easy, Air Force. They can destroy the world with nukes (God forbid) 4 times over. But I pray that never happens.
For the kind of wars we are fighting now, it's Army and then Marines 1st with support of air power provided by the Air Force and Navy. But I have to credit to the Navy, they have it all; planes and soldiers (and Nuclear subs if you would like to destroy the world in mutually assured destruction). You can't win a war with only air power only unless you want to kill everyone and destroy everything (just look at our fight with ISIS). We bluffed the Japanese into surrendering in WWII telling them we had hundreds of nukes ready to keep bombing them after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Without their surrender, we would have had to invade the island with the Marines and Army.
For the kind of wars we are fighting now, it's Army and then Marines 1st with support of air power provided by the Air Force and Navy. But I have to credit to the Navy, they have it all; planes and soldiers (and Nuclear subs if you would like to destroy the world in mutually assured destruction). You can't win a war with only air power only unless you want to kill everyone and destroy everything (just look at our fight with ISIS). We bluffed the Japanese into surrendering in WWII telling them we had hundreds of nukes ready to keep bombing them after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Without their surrender, we would have had to invade the island with the Marines and Army.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 7:01 pm to dreaux
Transportation for the dogs!
Posted on 5/30/15 at 8:34 pm to choupic
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Name a war won without air support. And it's the air support that made the USA dominant and separate itself from the rest.
The U.S. Navy is what made the U.S.A. dominant and separated itself from the rest. Have you ever heard of the "Great White Fleet"?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:50 pm to Poodlebrain
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If the Navy is the most important branch of the military why hasn't it won any wars for the U.S.?
HA!! HAAA !!!
Take THAT you high-brow, show tune loving Navy guys !!
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:13 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Actually there are certainly no GB as well trained as the AF SoF. They literally are as well trained as a medic. There is no where near the training afforded to any other SF group. Every other group has an offensive combat role. It shows your complete lack of true knowledge of what the SF are all about. Do every SF have improvised battle buddy skills? Yeah. Do any other SF have the ability to walk into an ER and take the lead on traumatic injuries? No. PJs are literally combat medics with a smiliar if not superior battle skill as the GB. Could a GB or SEAL team do a hot extract and rescue folks? They do it all the time. Are they as medically trained and do they understand traumatic injuries to the same degree as a PJ? Not even close.
Besides the whole point of me bringing up the AF SoF was a shout out. Why? because of the fact that dumbasses like you are so freaking clueless.
Besides the whole point of me bringing up the AF SoF was a shout out. Why? because of the fact that dumbasses like you are so freaking clueless.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:18 pm to rebeloke
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PJs are literally combat medics with a smiliar if not superior battle skill as the GB.
Bro, just no. Yeah, maybe they can shoot and clear a building but GB's are literally the fricking experts on infantry shite. It's not only their job to know it but to be able to teach and lead foreign forces. All of AF Sof are nothing more than support. They don't take the lead on anything.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:19 pm to hikingfan
Army for sure. We have our own planes, ships and tanks. Can't take ground without the grunts. 
Posted on 5/30/15 at 10:30 pm to RATeamWannabe
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RATeamWannabe
Obviously the United States Marine Corps
Yes definitely with 200,000 marines and twice as many cameras to take pictures, they definitely are most important.
In the PR department at least.
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