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re: Which ancient civilization is the most similar to America?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:18 pm to Tiger1242
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:18 pm to Tiger1242
The Minoans.
Kind of on an island with no border enemies.
Women have the same rights as men.
Economy based on commerce.
Entertainment was arena-based spectacle.
Cuisine was from all over.
Their navy was vastly ahead of any existing at the time.
ETA:
There was enough comfort on a whole that the populace could develop art and their own aesthetic.
Kind of on an island with no border enemies.
Women have the same rights as men.
Economy based on commerce.
Entertainment was arena-based spectacle.
Cuisine was from all over.
Their navy was vastly ahead of any existing at the time.
ETA:
There was enough comfort on a whole that the populace could develop art and their own aesthetic.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:21 pm to yurintroubl
We are very much like Rome,
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:23 pm to JudgeHolden
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But not its ruthless effectiveness.
Meh. Read about how its military was handled during its last days. Again, the similarities are striking.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:26 pm to JudgeHolden
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But not its ruthless effectiveness
We have gotten way to soft
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:31 pm to Mo Jeaux
I always like to think about how the US will be looked at 2,000 years from now if mankind makes it that far. If the US falls soon they would just be a powerful blip on the radar. If the US lasts a few more hundred years it might do down as the second rise of Rome since almost everything is based off of them.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:39 pm to Tiger1242
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Which ancient civilization is the most similar to America?
It's probably something like Bactria or Parthia which not a lot of people know about or at least think about much. Or maybe something like Poland-Lithuania.
We have a long way to go to even come close to the longevity of an empire like Rome which people like to throw out as a antecedent.
Out of the big ones, we have some similarities to things like Rome who kind of adopted their culture from the Greeks and the Aztecs who I think did the same with civilizations like the Toltecs that came before them. In much the same way, much US culture comes from England and from other parts of Europe.
On the other hand, we kind of look to both the west (in things like science & somewhat in politics) and to the east in things like religion and somewhat in philosophy. In that way we may resemble empires like Macedonia and Parthia who kind of also looked to both sides. And the freedom of religion stuff I think comes from places like Persia under Cyrus.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:40 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Read The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. The similarities between Rome in its decline and modern-day U.S.A. are uncanny.
yes, its scary and unsettling, historical lessons are there for the learning...
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:42 pm to Methuselah
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We have a long way to go to even come close to the longevity of an empire like Rome which people like to throw out as a antecedent.
One dissimilarity doesn't discount all of the similarities.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:43 pm to Darth_Vader
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We are very much like Rome,
Yes, Biggus Dickus
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:54 pm to Mo Jeaux
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One dissimilarity doesn't discount all of the similarities.
True. And I'm not saying the two are totally dissimilar. But there are other differences - treatment of religion. Overreaching in conquering and trying to retain by force an empire too broad for the technology of the time. The continuation of slavery in Rome while it was abandoned in the US, definition of "citizens" (and the rights that go along with it) being much more restrictive in Rome. Rome going from kingdom to republic to empire, etc.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:19 pm to Tiger1242
Whew, what a bunch of distortionist self-loathers up in this thread.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:26 pm to Tiger1242
Rome
Christians persecuted - Check
Homos revered - Check
Corrupt law makers - Check
Tearing apart from the inside - Check
Christians persecuted - Check
Homos revered - Check
Corrupt law makers - Check
Tearing apart from the inside - Check
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:28 pm to theGarnetWay
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Not really relevant to the OP but didn't the U.S. and Russia adopt the eagle as the state symbol as a "nod" to Rome?
The Germans also adopted the eagle. Furthermore, both "Kaiser" and "Czar" are related to "Caesar."
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:30 pm to JudgeHolden
Read The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. The similarities between Rome in its decline and modern-day U.S.A. are uncanny.
We are the modern day Roman Empire and will most assuredly follow their fate, Just like the Scandinavians Brits and Spanish before us.
We are the modern day Roman Empire and will most assuredly follow their fate, Just like the Scandinavians Brits and Spanish before us.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:39 pm to Tiger1242
Read the book The New Romans
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:45 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Read The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. The similarities between Rome in its decline and modern-day U.S.A. are uncanny.
This man knows his history. All folks should read that book. You will see shocking similarities.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:46 pm to jvilletiger25
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Christians persecuted - Check
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:48 pm to OMLandshark
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I don't know how anyone can say anything but Rome.
How are we Rome? We have not conquered most of the civilized world, we don't base our success on the overtaking and acquisition of new territories. We certainly don't take the same approach as Rome in defeating our enemies, we don't wipe them out completely.
Our rulers are not military minded and we have not followed the conquer all path that Rome followed.
People say Rome because we are the most powerful country today, and because there are similarities in our lifestyle (as there are with Athens and many other civilized ancient countries), but we are not Rome.
I would say the British Empire was the most like Rome, and has followed a similar path of decline
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:01 pm to Tiger1242
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Posted by Tiger1242
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I don't know how anyone can say anything but Rome.
How are we Rome? We have not conquered most of the civilized world, we don't base our success on the overtaking and acquisition of new territories. We certainly don't take the same approach as Rome in defeating our enemies, we don't wipe them out completely.
Our rulers are not military minded and we have not followed the conquer all path that Rome followed.
People say Rome because we are the most powerful country today, and because there are similarities in our lifestyle (as there are with Athens and many other civilized ancient countries), but we are not Rome.
How on earth did we expand from a sliver of land, ranging from Maine to Georgia, to our current landmass? We most certainly have conquered and expanded via military conquest, committing genocide in the process. We've also been engaged in a military campaign in the Middle East since 2001 and have had our troops stationed worldwide since the 1940s.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:11 pm to OFWHAP
Well we originally got the 13 colonies because we were part of another country. We gained our independence through the American Revolution, at the same time getting the Northwest territory. Rome never fought a battle for independence like that.
Then we purchased the LA territory, purchased the Oregon Territory, purchased the Florida Territory, Annexed Texas.
The only territory we gained from war other than the Revolution was the Mexicab Cession, and we still paid Mexico $15 million for that!
That's not even close to what Rome did
Then we purchased the LA territory, purchased the Oregon Territory, purchased the Florida Territory, Annexed Texas.
The only territory we gained from war other than the Revolution was the Mexicab Cession, and we still paid Mexico $15 million for that!
That's not even close to what Rome did
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