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re: Where does the money come from to support home prices in Lakeview?

Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:23 am to
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
19327 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:23 am to
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After years of renting my parents finally bought a house in midcity in the late 1990s $55K, they doubled their money in 2004

It just sold a year or two ago for $350K



Bought my current house in Mid-City in 92 and paid $54K for a 2 story 3200 sq. ft. house. Could probably sell it within a week of going on the market in the $400K range. It's totally insane right now.

If the wife was retired, I'd sell in a heartbeat, take the money and pay cash for a nice house with a couple acres in a rural environment and bank the rest until I could find something to invest in.
Posted by achenator
Member since Oct 2014
3242 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:26 am to
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The prices of homes in New Orleans may be on par with some of these larger cities that you listed, but the volume of homes at these prices is much lower.
My whole point. It’s all to scale. I’m sure Flint Michigan still has some nice areas even with all the shite around.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
19327 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:30 am to
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and Holy Cross ain’t even dere no mo


The only thing left at the old Holy Cross site is the big red brick dormitory near the levee that they housed students in.

That's been slated for conversion into condos for years now. The site where the actual school was is cleared and they also have 2 large fields that go with the property, one between Dauphine and Burgundy and the other between Burgundy and N. Rampart that were used as practice fields for their ball teams.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
7083 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:34 am to
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2x gross income is a pretty standard number for those seeking to build wealth, I didn't just make it up.


Maybe 30 years ago. 2.5-3x is the norm now.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
11349 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:59 am to
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Yes, certainly this is different


I think that dynamic speaks to the OP's question of where all of this high end home demand comes from, and probably the overall housing run as well.

Back in the real estate/financial crisis of 2012, those people in there mid 40's today were in their mid 30's (duh) and likely at the beginning stages of looking to upsize from their first/starter home. An extremely large majority of them and others held on to that first home back then as they were likely flat or upside down on their mortgage at the time.

Couple that with a blazing economic recovery/correction beginning in 2013-14, followed by covid restrictions decimating the supply of new construction, along with covid fears of another 2012 financial crisis slowing real estate investment, followed by another huge bull market correction and you have a perfect storm for a run on higher end homes.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58894 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:00 am to
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2x gross income is a pretty standard number for those seeking to build wealth, I didn't just make it up.

average household income is less than 70k

that is simply not feasible
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
9738 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:17 am to
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Modern monetary theory. Check it out. It will fail. It just hasn’t yet.


I just read the full write up on Investopedia.

I think we are living the experiment right now.
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:17 am to
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Lakeview would help offset whats happening to western metairie and kenner


What is happening over there?
Posted by Rust
Member since Feb 2019
1049 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:21 am to
Buddy of mine and his wife just bought in Lakeview last year. He’s a doctor and she’s a dentist. Their combined household income is around $800k per year.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:22 am to
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bam you’re a millionaire.

Posted by SpillwayRoyalty
Member since Nov 2019
586 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:27 am to
You left out the streets that you cannot drive down over 10 mph.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26388 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:42 am to
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Just think how many doctors, and staff that the Saints and Pelicans employ alone.


This, plus tourism, is probably the only thing the current New Orleans economy has that other cities its size don't that might help build and create new wealth.

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Now think the Salary of a Tulane, UNO, Professors.



Most other cities that size have at least one CC and at least one Uni. So this isn't a big differentiator over places like Birmingham, Memphis, Nashville, or even Baton Rouge.

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Now think how many hospital are in New Orleans, think doctors, lawyers, administrators.


Same as above. Most cities with 800,000-1,500,000 metro are at least regional medical centers. Birmingham, Memphis, Baton Rouge, etc all have similar setups with huge draws. But none of them really compete with Houston or Atlanta. And neither does New Orleans, despite having $billions of state and federal taxpayer dollars to prop it up.

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New Orleans has money and it’s easy to make because of how “small” that city is compared to other major metros.


Make no mistake, New Orleans is coasting on wealth that families earned there generations ago and public sector dollars that are shoveled into the city and parish coffers. That's the big difference between NOLA and a place like Mobile or Baton Rouge. That's where New Orleans actually does compete very well outside of its weight class.

Unfortunately for people outside of that old world economy or in the political class....New Orleans doesn't even have a handful of major corporate HQs with extremely wealthy early investors hovering around like Memphis. Being a Louisiana city, it does have a fairly robust industrial base which is something that sets it apart from a lot of cities its size. But it's still not a hub for new companies or even corporate relocations. And the unfortunate trend in Louisiana is for home grown firms to relocate to places like Atlanta, Houston, or Nashville. Not to stay in the state and build a workforce in Louisiana's largest city.

The big question I have is if New Orleans can use this handful of old (by American standards) money families to drive new outside investment and generate new wealth, or will it continue to decline and go the way of Charleston and become a port with a tourist draw...but not much else.

Or will it become the economic driver the state needs it to be, but hasn't been for 40 years. Because that's what it needs to be.

It's 2022, and New Orleans has fewer residents today than it did in 1960. If it were competing with Houston and Atlanta the way it should have been, Baton Rouge and Hammond would merely be a satellite cities in major metro area centered around New Orleans. Sort of how San Jose is to San Francisco. And Southeast Louisiana would be a massive, robust economic center with a wide variety of industries.
This post was edited on 4/4/22 at 9:45 am
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:53 am to
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They go into massive debt and give up any discretionary income solely so they can have "New Orleans" on their address.

And guess what? No one is impressed


The OP is.
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
33282 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:56 am to
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They had a house on Flood St. near the river sell for over $400K a few weeks ago.


This one?

LINK



1651 sq ft. 3 BR/2 BA in the Lower Ninth Ward, listed for just a hair under $400k.

Absolutely insane.
This post was edited on 4/4/22 at 9:57 am
Posted by jsquardjj
Member since Oct 2009
1395 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:57 am to
I don’t think New Orleans has to be more than a port city with a tourism draw due to the sheer size of the city. Geographically, the other cities you named (Birmingham, nashville, atlanta etc) have lots of land, numerous suburbs surrounding the city and better interstate systems to commute to downtown. That just isn’t possible here - unless they turned New Orleans East around - but that’s not happening.

Housing prices stay high because there are not new neighborhoods going up all over the places like the above mentioned.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:57 am to
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Keep considering moving to Mandeville



Explains a lot


What does it explain?
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 10:02 am to
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This is what our block looks like.

neighbor works for shell/Wife is SAHM. Next to them is a doctor/engineer, next to them is a pharm rep/contractor, next to them is two newscasters, next to them is a retired couple, Next to them is a nursing school renter, next to them is a paper company owner/SAHM, next to them is an entergy worker/nurse, next to them is a teacher/banker, next to them is a retired couple, next to them is a lunch lady, next to them is a restaurant director/investment banker, next to them is a local beverage business owner, next to them is an attorney/SAHM, next to them is a retired couple, next to them is a army/interior designer, next to them is 2 doctors


Holy shite. You're a serious frickin' busy body aren't you. You know waaaaay too much about your neighbors.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58894 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 10:10 am to
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This, plus tourism, is probably the only thing the current New Orleans economy has that other cities its size don't that might help build and create new wealth.
film and tv is still pretty big. Lots of people do very well in that business.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
19327 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 10:10 am to
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This one?


No, it was one of those ultra modern looking houses sandwiched in on a narrow lot. The ones where the architecture is totally out of character with surrounding houses.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26388 posts
Posted on 4/4/22 at 10:10 am to
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neighbor works for shell/Wife is SAHM. Next to them is a doctor/engineer, next to them is a pharm rep/contractor, next to them is two newscasters, next to them is a retired couple, Next to them is a nursing school renter, next to them is a paper company owner/SAHM,


First, I don't know if I should be impressed or concerned that you know your neighbors that well.

Second....did these people all buy in the last 10 years when prices started climbing? Or are they long term owners that bought when the housing was affordable?
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