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re: Where did the Fireflies go???

Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:01 am to
Posted by Phideaux
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:01 am to
Light pollution and habitat loss. They need the leaf litter to lay eggs and the larva are in soil for 1 - 2 years. If you till up soil, remove taller foliage that adults hide in during the day it it reduces numbers along with pesticides. Light pollution reduces their ability to find a mate - al the females stay on or close to the ground and males flash their pattern hoping a female sees them and flashes back
Posted by KBaller
Member since Jan 2010
147 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:26 am to
Go to Pigeon Forge. They are everywhere!
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
36040 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:28 am to

Now's the time for 'em.

I remember about 15 yrs ago, there was mention of a dip in firefly population. Much like the honeybees. But I saw a good number the next year or so.


Maybe most folks are living int he cities and don't get out to the woods late enough to see 'em?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
66612 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:20 am to
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I remember about 15 yrs ago, there was mention of a dip in firefly population. Much like the honeybees. But I saw a good number the next year or so.

The overall population is still going down. The western honeybee population is going up, and we probably have more western honeybees now than we ever have, though the lifespan of the average hive has been decreasing. When "Save the bees!" gets embraced by someone they almost exclusively believe it is the western honeybee that needs saving, but that isn't the case. That honeybee population boom is problematic because they aren't supposed to be here, they aren't native species. To some extent their existence here is a detriment to our native pollinators because they're allowed to overwhelm food sources. Add into that the fact that western honeybees are more insulated against pesticides, and generally protected from habitat loss. Most of our native bee species are solitary bees that don't handle insecticide exposure like a honeybee hive does, and are wholly dependent upon wild habitat. That's unfortunate, too, because our native bees are, generally, much better and more efficient pollinators than the western honeybee.

The same story can be told for pretty much all native pollinators......butterflies, moths, wasps, beetles, etc.
Posted by AcadieAnne
Space Force Cadet 1st Class
Member since May 2019
1652 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:23 am to
Fireflies? What is that? Is that anything like lightning bugs?

Seriously, though, I do miss them. Reminds me of chasing them at my grandparents' camp when I was a kid. Running through fire ant piles in the dusk, getting red bugs and ticks on my arse from the tall grass. It was the best of times.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
22375 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:28 am to
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Haven’t yall had this discussion before? Pretty sure yall have so why keep harping on it.


I think the average age of users on this site has shifted heavily into the elderly phase. We're going to see more and more repetitions of confused Pepperidge Farm memes.
Posted by Phideaux
Cades Cove
Member since May 2008
2580 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:32 am to
Lightning bug and are interchangeable. When we see them in our yards there are different ones occupying different areas. The Evening Firefly most of us see start first then the Tree flashers come next they all have different flashes. If people mowed a little less or did not manage their entire yards as well as left leaf litter it can help a lot.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
66612 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:46 am to
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Lightning bug and are interchangeable. When we see them in our yards there are different ones occupying different areas. The Evening Firefly most of us see start first then the Tree flashers come next they all have different flashes. If people mowed a little less or did not manage their entire yards as well as left leaf litter it can help a lot.

There's an early Spring species, too, the Spring Tree-top Flasher. It is out really early in the year.

And then you have firefly species that don't flash for mating, but use their flash from the ground to lure in males of other species so that they can eat them.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 12:05 pm
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
895 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:56 am to
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More likely habitat loss is the reason and not pesticides

It is both.

It is really the cumulative effect of a bunch of stuff.

ETA: You can't make what habitat is left uninhabitable and expect stuff to survive, much less thrive.


You know what's in EVERY habitat that we don't spray at all, and in far greater abundance? Ever seen a 2' tall fire ant mound in the middle of a field?
Posted by Phideaux
Cades Cove
Member since May 2008
2580 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:59 am to
Want to nerd out get this book Fireflies Glow-worms and Lightning Bugs by Lynn F Faust.

I am very fortunate I get to work doing education for the Synchronous Firefly Event in Elkmont in Smoky Mtns. We focus in 5 species but there are 19 in the area.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
895 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:59 am to
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Light pollution and habitat loss. They need the leaf litter to lay eggs and the larva are in soil for 1 - 2 years. If you till up soil, remove taller foliage that adults hide in during the day it it reduces numbers along with pesticides. Light pollution reduces their ability to find a mate - al the females stay on or close to the ground and males flash their pattern hoping a female sees them and flashes back


You know what else is in the soil, eats everything, then moves on to another patch of soil with every rain? Fire ants.....

You people are so blinded by the conventional "wisdom" that you can't even see what is crawling up your own leg.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
66612 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:01 pm to
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You know what else is in the soil, eats everything, then moves on to another patch of soil with every rain? Fire ants.....

You people are so blinded by the conventional "wisdom" that you can't even see what is crawling up your own leg.

You understand it isn't a one issue problem, right? You're doing the same thing you're accusing others of doing.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
66612 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:04 pm to
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Want to nerd out get this book Fireflies Glow-worms and Lightning Bugs by Lynn F Faust.

I heard about this one on a podcast a while back. I'll have to check it out.
Posted by Phideaux
Cades Cove
Member since May 2008
2580 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:16 pm to
Like Legend said its multifactorial if fire-ants were a ravenous as you say why would anyone in SE LA ever see another beetle again.
Posted by YMCA
It's Fun to Stay
Member since May 2011
4678 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:18 pm to
They were actually mini drones and they’ve been replaced by bird drones.
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
8001 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:19 pm to
Tennessee. Specifically the eastern part around the smokies.
Posted by Mud_Bone
Member since Dec 2021
2356 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:47 am to
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males flash their pattern hoping a female sees them and flashes back


This is like buying a squirt of POLO from the machine in the bathroom at the bar.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
28536 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:53 am to
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Where did the Fireflies go?


Does anyone else think this sounds like the title of a young adult novel dealing with the angst of lost innocence?
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 5:02 am to
My backyard apparently. They are everywhere in in Middle TN. Driving home at night your windshield will glow green even after smacking them.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Lone Star State
Member since May 2020
11259 posts
Posted on 6/17/24 at 7:00 am to
Was in Missouri last summer and they were everywhere
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