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re: Where did the Baton Rouge Valley Surfer Boy accent come from?

Posted on 7/21/21 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 3:52 pm to
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It's from Italians.
Is it not from the Irish?
Posted by jchamil
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 3:52 pm to
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Is it not from the Irish?


It doesn't sound very Irish to me
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 3:53 pm to
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quote:

It's from Italians
Is it not from the Irish?
No
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 3:55 pm to
Show your work.

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A unique New Orleans accent, or "Yat" accent, is considered an identity marker of white and black metropolitan people who have been raised in the greater New Orleans area. English professor Allan A. Metcalf discusses that "Yats" mostly live near the Irish Channel in blue-collar neighborhoods. The dialect's connotation with the working-class white population therefore encodes the speaker's identities.[5] Plausible origins of the accent are described in A. J. Liebling's book The Earl of Louisiana, in a passage that was used as a foreword to A Confederacy of Dunces, John Kennedy Toole's well-known posthumously published novel about New Orleans:[6]

There is a New Orleans city accent ... associated with downtown New Orleans, particularly with the German and Irish Third Ward, that is hard to distinguish from the accent of Hoboken, Jersey City, and Astoria, Long Island, where the Al Smith inflection, extinct in Manhattan, has taken refuge. The reason, as you might expect, is that the same stocks that brought the accent to Manhattan imposed it on New Orleans.[7]


LINK
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:06 pm to
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Show your work
Google "New Orleans accent Italian" and you'll see examples

However, pretty much all of them credit Irish as well as Italian.

Maybe I'm deaf, but I can't hear any Irish. There is a sing-song lilt to Irish accents, while Yat is kind of flattened out, relatively monotone. I can definitely hear the similarities between Brooklyn/NJ accents and Yat. Irish and English accents are closer to the Scarlett O'Hara "Well Ah dee-clare" sound.

CHANGE MY MIND
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:09 pm to
i have always been fascinated with the weird Northshore accent that sounds like a Canadien accent
Posted by Uncle Stitch
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:10 pm to
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Valley Surfer Boy accent


Link?
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:11 pm to
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a Canadien accent
well aren't we francophone
Posted by hubertcumberdale
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:14 pm to
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Baton Rouge Valley Surfer Boy accent
This is not a thing.


It is absolutely not a thing. A BR kid that talks like this guy?



I have lived in BR for over 30 years and have not encountered anything even close to what OP is describing
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:18 pm to
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I have lived in BR for over 30 years and have not encountered anything even close to what OP is describing
As I said earlier in a much DVed post, I knew BR girls in the '80s who tried their best to talk like valley girls.

Never heard a BR guy talk like that though
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:22 pm to
Cahlic Hi plus prolonged exposure to SPLASH nightclub produced that distinctive accent. Proper Baws don't talk that way.
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:31 pm to
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People that have spent a decent amount of time in BR know exactly what I'm referring to

I think I know what you mean, but I wouldn't call it Cali. You can hear it in words like "both" and "house"
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:34 pm to
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Irish and English accents are closer to the Scarlett O'Hara "Well Ah dee-clare" sound.

The Boston accent is English/Irish
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 4:36 pm to
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The Boston accent is English/Irish
which Boston accent? Teddy Kennedy? Thurston Howell III?
Posted by NorthEnd
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:05 pm to
A true BR accent is 85% hick/redneck and 10-15% cajun--but not prairie cajun(Eunice, Ville Platte) or down the bayou cajun(Cut off, Larose, Thib), more like Donaldsonville, Pierre Part cajun.

I have no clue of the valley accent you speak of.

The younger generations--50 and younger--have virtually no accent.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:09 pm to
Red necks trying not to be red necks?
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:25 pm to
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Maybe I'm deaf, but I can't hear any Irish. There is a sing-song lilt to Irish accents, while Yat is kind of flattened out, relatively monotone. I can definitely hear the similarities between Brooklyn/NJ accents and Yat. Irish and English accents are closer to the Scarlett O'Hara "Well Ah dee-clare" sound.

CHANGE MY MIND

I don’t think they mean motherland Irish, but the old school Boston/Philly type Irish accent.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:28 pm to
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I always thought old school BR folks had a little country twang to their accent.

Baton Rouge is the southern peninsula to north Louisiana. The wealthy redneck twang reaches down to separate Acadiana from NOLA.
Posted by CMBears1259
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:28 pm to
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Baton Rouge Valley Surfer Boy accent

Have no idea WTF this is!

Care to give a phonetic example.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:29 pm to
BR has a weird mix of residents: river rats and creoles from the south, cajuns from the west, rednecks from the east, Mississippi delta folks from the north, BR “natives” who were mostly from England, Italy, and Germany, Lebanese immigrants, Islanos, Viet Expats, and a large number of transplants due to LSU and Exxon, most of which came from Ohio, Houston suburbs, Iran, or Saudi Arabia. I think that “Cali” accent you’re thinking of is actually a blending of the Ohioans, cajuns, and germans who were here already.

I always thought it was weird that Catholic High douchebags spoke like Spicoli in Fast Times at Ridgemont High while the St. Joe’s hoes all either sounded like Valley Girls or Reece Witherspoon in Sweet Home Alabama with zero in between.
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