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re: When will SJW's go after Arlington Nationals Cemetary?

Posted on 5/29/17 at 8:50 am to
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 8:50 am to
The history according to Wiki.

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George Washington Parke Custis, grandson of Martha Washington, acquired the land that now is Arlington National Cemetery in 1802, and began construction of Arlington House (the name is ultimately derived from the village of Arlington, Gloucestershire, England, where Custis' family was originally from). The estate passed to Custis' daughter, Mary Anna, who had married United States Army officer Robert E. Lee. Custis' will gave a "life inheritance" to Mary Lee, allowing her to live at and run Arlington Estate for the rest of her life but not enabling her to sell any portion of it.[4] Upon her death, the Arlington estate passed to her eldest son, George Washington Custis Lee.[4]

When Virginia seceded from the Union at the start of the American Civil War, Robert E. Lee resigned his commission on April 20, 1861, and took command of the armed forces of the Commonwealth of Virginia, later becoming commander of the Army of Northern Virginia.[5] On May 7, troops of the Virginia militia occupied Arlington and Arlington House.[6] With Confederate forces occupying Arlington's high ground, the capital of the Union was left in an untenable military position.[7] Although unwilling to leave Arlington House, Mary Lee believed her estate would soon be infested with federal soldiers. So she buried many of her family treasures on the grounds and left for her sister's estate at Ravensworth in Fairfax County, Virginia, on May 14.[8][9] On May 3, General Winfield Scott ordered Brigadier General Irvin McDowell to clear Arlington and the city of Alexandria, Virginia, of all troops not loyal to the United States.[10] McDowell occupied Arlington without opposition on May 24.[11]





Arlington House
At the outbreak of the Civil War, most military personnel who died in battle near Washington, D.C., were buried at the United States Soldiers' Cemetery in Washington, D.C., or Alexandria Cemetery in Alexandria, Virginia, but by late 1863 both were nearly full.[12] On July 16, 1862, Congress passed legislation authorizing the U.S. federal government to purchase land for national cemeteries for military dead, and put the U.S. Army Quartermaster General in charge of this program.[12] In May 1864, Union forces suffered large numbers of dead in the Battle of the Wilderness. Quartermaster General Montgomery C. Meigs ordered that an examination of eligible sites be made for the establishment for a large new national military cemetery. Within weeks, his staff reported that Arlington Estate was the most suitable property in the area.[12] The property was high and free from floods (which might unearth graves), it had a view of the District of Columbia, and it was aesthetically pleasing. It was also the home of the leader of the armed forces of the Confederate States of America, and denying Robert E. Lee use of his home after the war was a valuable political consideration.[13] The first military burial at Arlington, for William Henry Christman, was made on May 13, 1864,[14] close to what is now the northeast gate in Section 27.[15] However, Meigs did not formally authorize establishment of burials until June 15, 1864.[16] Arlington did not desegregate its burial practices until President Harry S. Truman issued Executive Order 9981 on July 26, 1948.[17]





The Old Guard transports the flag-draped casket of the second Sergeant Major of the Army George W. Dunaway who was buried with full military honors at Arlington National Cemetery.
The government acquired Arlington at a tax sale in 1864 for $26,800, equal to $410,000 today.[18] Mrs. Lee had not appeared in person but rather had sent an agent, attempting to pay the $92.07 in property taxes (equal to $1,400 today) assessed on the estate in a timely manner.[19] The government turned away her agent, refusing to accept the tendered payment. In 1874, Custis Lee, heir under his grandfather's will passing the estate in trust to his mother, sued the United States claiming ownership of Arlington. On December 9, 1882, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5–4 in Lee's favor in United States v. Lee, deciding that Arlington had been confiscated without due process.[19][20] After that decision, Congress returned the estate to him, and on March 3, 1883, Custis Lee sold it back to the government for $150,000 (equal to $3,271,364 in 2017) at a signing ceremony with Secretary of War Robert Todd Lincoln.[18][21] The land then became a military reservation.[22]

President Herbert Hoover conducted the first national Memorial Day ceremony in Arlington National Cemetery, on May 30, 1929.[23]
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 8:52 am to
This was all done at the start of the start of the war years before they were the "winners" .

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On December 9, 1882, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5–4 in Lee's favor in United States v. Lee, deciding that Arlington had been confiscated without due process


Then there was this too. People don't seem to realize just how corrupt the US Government was under Lincoln. That's what winning did allowed them to rewrite the history books.

This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 8:55 am
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21394 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 9:14 am to
quote:

That's what winning did allowed them to rewrite the history books.


Um yeah. That is the point to winning, you control the narrative.

Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21394 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 9:19 am to
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4 months, 25 days


Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15915 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 9:31 am to
Hashtag this assholes

A frozen heart explosion
Fueling trash for fire
Anonymous, young and stupid
Repulsed by the piracy of you and me

Blanket statement
Blanket trap

SJW's

They are legion
And this is what they teach us

Divide (x3)
Burning the blanket

Identity to the ghost
Wrecking ball confusion
Mystics with no mystery
Anger bred from boredom's tit
Minus wit

Blanket statement
Blanket trap
(x2)

Hashtag this assholes

A frozen heart explosion
Fueling trash for fire
Anonymous, young and stupid
Repulsed by the piracy of you and me

Blanket statement
Blanket trap

SJW's

They are legion
And this is what they teach us

Divide (x3)
Burning the blanket

Identity to the ghost
Wrecking ball confusion
Mystics with no mystery
Anger bred from boredom's tit
Minus wit

Blanket statement
Blanket trap
(x2)

SJW's
Are coward's in legion
And this is what they teach us
Burning their blanket
Of mass divisive slander

SJW's

They are legion
And this is what they've taught us
Burning the blanket
A mass divisive back bite

SJW's force
Divide
SJW's force
Divide
SJW's suck
They suck
One by one they fricking suck

Burning the blanket

The statement's overstated
The statement is overstated
Overstated


SJW song(burning the blanket)
This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 9:38 am
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9477 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 9:52 am to
quote:

They basically stole his land via government corruption. The land was initially seized. However they placed a 90 dollar tax on the land. Gave a short time for it to be paid and when Lee's wife tried to have it paid they turned the money down. Then it went to auction and only bidder was the government who severely underbid. Probably because nobody knew it was up for bid. It wasn't decided to become a cemetery until a good while later.


I don't know when it was decided to turn the whole place into a national cemetery, but I think Union soldiers were interred there towards the end of the war. I believe a Union general's son was killed and was buried in Mrs. Lee's rose garden as a "screw you" to Lee and the South. More burials followed.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18927 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:48 am to
quote:

It'll be tough to convince anything other than the extreme ideologues that digging up graves benefits anyone.
I have read where others calling themselves conservatives considered CSA to be traitors.

What people don't realize is although one side did remain under U.S. control the other considered themselves patriots. They weren't trying to overthrow a government. They were trying to separate as I understand it.

The reasoning doesn't matter. This is going to be my point: We have a very similar situation right now. The situation is reaching a boiling point. We are a nation clearly separated RIGHT NOW.

Should a "war" break out the government will probably be seen as on one side. Which side? Which side would the dear reader be on? Which side would be considered the patriot? The other will be the traitor?

As it stands right now I would project the government to come down on the liberal's side. I would be on the other side and consider myself to be a patriot.

I am a veteran. Should my side lose, and it probably would/will, could I still be buried in a national cemetery?

I have one last point: I am Indian (mostly). Whitey took over and later brought in blacky. Whitey and a few blackies killed my people and put the few that were left on the most Godforsaken lands they could find. WE were the owners and the government. WE were overthrown by who? They infiltrated and then overthrew us.

WE are the patriots! EVERYONE ELSE are traitors so who gives a dam who is buried in a cemetery!??!



Posted by Dave lsu 89
B.R,/ Houston
Member since Jun 2016
3879 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:00 am to
I it will never amount to anything.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52917 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:19 am to
quote:

We have a very similar situation right now.


No, no we don't.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18927 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 12:22 pm to
quote:


No, no we don't.
Yes, yes we do.

Please explain your disagreement.
Posted by AA77
Member since Jan 2016
3797 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 12:24 pm to
Guessing you don't know the story behind Arlington.
This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4711 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

It's built on property that was owned by Robert E. Lee, how long until someone decides that's racist or unjust and starts shouting for a change?


That's such a huge stretch and not even close to the same crap that's been happening.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
12561 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 12:54 pm to
They would once again show their lack of history and its importance if they did.. Arlington was used as a national cemetery for the north beginning in 1863 as the military cemetery in Alexandria was running out of room.. the government began the process of acquiring land for a cemetery but decided on Lee's land for a few reason including the idea that it would be a slap in the face to him and his family as the war concluded.. Lee's wife tried to reclaim the land as it was deemed in tax default but her representation was turned away and the government purchased the land.. their son later sued and won by Supreme Court decree that the land was improperly taken and ordered to return the deed.. Curtis Lee having proven his point, sold the land back to the government for a reasonable sum.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 1:03 pm to
When snowflakes like you stop melting. In other words, never
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32025 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

I have read where others calling themselves conservatives considered CSA to be traitors.

What people don't realize is although one side did remain under U.S. control the other considered themselves patriots. They weren't trying to overthrow a government. They were trying to separate as I understand it.

The reasoning doesn't matter. This is going to be my point: We have a very similar situation right now. The situation is reaching a boiling point. We are a nation clearly separated RIGHT NOW.

Should a "war" break out the government will probably be seen as on one side. Which side? Which side would the dear reader be on? Which side would be considered the patriot? The other will be the traitor?


Holy shot man YOU are a fricking psycho. I also bet you "Indian" claim is mostly bullshite
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
15229 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

I mean, amongst other reasons, didn't the Union choose that site specifically because it was Lee's? As kind of a deliberate insult against him and the CSA.

Yes, Montgomery Meigs, whose own son had been killed int he war, was the Quartermaster General and he picked it. He put the first graves in a semi-circle around the front porch so that no one could ever sit on it and enjoy the view again.

Arlington House was actually Lee's wife's property that she inherited from one of Washington's step-sons.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40907 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

Last summer I partly expected BLM to try interrupting the changing of the guard or some other ceremony


How bad would they get fricked up if they pulled something like that?
Posted by PurpGold 14-0
Member since Nov 2012
3801 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

Let them start protesting there first. We'll show the nation how to handle such shenanigans


Are you insinuating that you and an armed militia would put on a show of force?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 3:49 pm to
I don't know why people consider the breakup of the USA to be preposterous given the debt that no one is addressing and that will never stop growing.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 5/29/17 at 4:21 pm to
Damn that sucks
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