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re: What's the argument for the Mississippi flag to not be changed?

Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:21 pm to
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:21 pm to
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As a resident of Mississippi I will gladly vote to keep it if given the chance.
I wish they'd give us a 3rd vote labeled as,

"Nobody here, including blacks, really gives a flying f*ck when we're all living in the poorest state in the goddamn country."
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:36 pm to
because you do not respond to extortion
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

The Confederacy’s shenanigans were cheeky and fun


But of course.
Posted by ellesssuuu
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
3080 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:07 pm to
You can remove all flags and statues but can legislate morality
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32893 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:46 pm to
Not caving into petulant children that complain about everything. Of course the coaches are smart enough to pander to it. I don’t give two fricks about Mississippi’s flag so whatever on that issue but at some point a line must be drawn.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61086 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:06 am to
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I particularly like the flag, though I understand why many don’t. My only wish for the new flag (we’ll end up having one soon enough) is that they keep the the horizontal rwb stripes. Put a magnolia in the upper left corner where the current confederate flag is and I’ll be happy


I agree, I just like the colors and the replacements look dumb.

Put a magnolia blossom or the outline of the state where the battle flag is now and lets call it a day. Or a steamboat, or a guitar, anything really
Posted by MSUDawg98
Ravens Flock
Member since Jan 2018
11587 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:36 am to
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I would let the voters of Mississippi decide, and not be steered by outside influences. They are the only ones that have the right to make that call.


EXACTLY. It's the state's right to determine if the flag should be changed NOT the yankee cancel culture mobs (or college athletes.) Put it on November's ballot and go with what the majority wants. Kylin Hill can go pound sand if he doesn't like it being decided in a democractic way.

I say this with the unique view of growing up in these upper midwest, going to school at State, and living in the SE for a scare before landing up in a freaking deep blue state.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:03 am to
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Nickelback has lasted longer than the Confederacy at this point


Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4799 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 6:06 am to
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Nobody here, including blacks, really gives a flying f*ck when we're all living in the poorest state in the goddamn country."


Ironically the delta region is what makes us the fattest, the poorest, and the least educated. Which has been run by a Democrat for the past 27 years. The rest of the state does pretty well for itself and has a lot to offer.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25525 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 6:43 am to
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Ironically the delta region is what makes us the fattest, the poorest, and the least educated. Which has been run by a Democrat for the past 27 years. The rest of the state does pretty well for itself and has a lot to offer.



I agree. After living 38 yrs in south Louisiana I had no idea how good life could be until I moved to southern Mississippi. It’s cleaner, people are nicer, schools are better and the cost of living is lower.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:34 am to
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To me the flag represents that the south had enough of the north's BS

AKA they wanted slavery to remain a viable institution
quote:

Call us a traitor

The confederates were traitors, there’s no two ways about it. Whether you think the cause worthy, they instigated an insurrection in the United States. Expectedly, they were soundly crushed and surrendered.
quote:

in the south, there is no animosity when that flag is flown.

Going to take a stab in the dark here and assume you’re white
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:39 am to
I don't have strong feelings on this issue. I did feel bad watching black kids graduate college (maybe as the first person in their family to do so) in front of that flag, but there is also a strong argument for keeping it.

The flag of Mississippi is no different from the flag of France, or the UK, or Russia, or Zimbabwe. It does a good job of representing most of the people over whom it flies. It does have a checkered history, with plenty of good and bad things done under it, just like the other flags I mentioned. But no one doubts for whom the flag flies.

I guess if I had a preference I'd add something to the flag to represent the black people of Mississippi, not take away an emblem that does a really good job of doing what a flag ought to do.
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Nobody here, including blacks, really gives a flying f*ck when we're all living in the poorest state in the goddamn country."
quote:

Ironically the delta region is what makes us the fattest, the poorest, and the least educated. Which has been run by a Democrat for the past 27 years. The rest of the state does pretty well for itself and has a lot to offer.

Yup. You ain't tellin' me nuthin'.

And that huge area and its massive number of needy people is a major drag on us- not only on our actual economy as it stands today, but also on its future: Data is what gives others their perception and bird's eye view of geographic areas they're otherwise unfamiliar with. Problem is, many times those "others" are the ones eyeing new territory for their enterprises and industry, and when they see our numbers on a piece of paper- numbers that are so terribly skewed by a select few geographic areas of the state- they flip the page in disgust. So the cycle continues.

Parts of the Black Prarie region on the east side of the state (e.g., Macon, Brooksville, West Point area, parts of Kemper County, etc.) also play a hand in our poverty, obesity, etc., albeit not nearly as much as the Delta. There are some terribly poverty stricken areas in the Black Prairie agricultural area, but its saving grace(s), relative to the agricultural area of the Delta, is a coupling together of many factors: They're situated farther north, they can reap the benefits of the sizeable growth of industry over the past several years in the Golden Triangle area (where a major SEC university is also located), they have commerce associated with the Tenn-Tom Waterway (a factor in the growth of industry in the area), and so they have less of a total reliance on agriculture as the counties bordering that "other" river that has commerce on it as well. Oh yeah, and the Black Prairie's soil ain't as precious as the other one's: Over yonder every single space where a row can be hipped up to grow crops is going to get hipped up.

There are some sizable swaths of higher unemployment in the pine belt as well, but ain't it funny how, in Mississippi, other than agriculture being associated with unemployment and the coastline being associated with commerce, i.e., prosperity, and desirability (humans and our love for waterfront property), and maybe a "desirability index" associated with the foothills of the Appalachians, the more you gain on the Mason-Dixon Line the more contiguous and larger the area becomes regarding a lower unemployment rate relative to the more southerly situated counties below them- and it has always been that way. (Ongoing historical effects of the Reconstruction Era, anyone? Don't scoff: There's some GIS and spatial mapping of the data that shows some surprising results and indicators in the sense of the trends across large, contiguous and semi-contiguous geographic areas.)


I digress, but again, other than being in the south, and in particular Mississippi, the one common denominator that those two data skewing areas (the Black Prarie and especially the Delta) have in common is the entire society revolves around agriculture, and in particular row crop agriculture. A person without a job is still being born in these societies because not too many generations ago manpower hadn't yet been replaced by mechanization- and boy did they need the manpower.

Folks want to walk the floor and gnash their teeth and shake their hands at the racist Mississippians who keep the folks in the Delta down, but unless those hypocrites want to volunteer to starve themselves, there's not a damned thing that they or anybody else can do about the conundrum of finding a job for the people who live in an agrarian society but who don't farm. It's the nature of the beast, and if you like to eat food to survive, you'll agree. Furthermore, since those same folks in the Delta have no qualms about making more babies, those same fields outside their door that brings them so much poverty are that much more important because of the growing number of mouths to feed in this country- including themselves and their youngins.

For 99% of the common folk who live there and who are poverty stricken, the only logical way to get out of it is to GET OUT, but so many don't, and so the perpetuation continues.

And the grocery stores stay stocked.

And "Hit the road," will continue to be the logical solution to the labor supply and demand problem of the Delta, "but watch for the combines on the way out."

They already knew about the combines, though.
Posted by cubsfinger
On The Road
Member since Mar 2017
1754 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 3:01 pm to
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AKA they wanted slavery to remain a viable institution


agreed but that is not what the war was fought over, if you think that, you are very ignorant.


quote:

Going to take a stab in the dark here and assume you’re white


As white as they come and unlike you puddin, I am very proud of that. I went to a school with a 90-10 white to black ratio. The flag was flown everywhere, including by blacks! We played sports together, ate together, class and worked together. The media, especially the democrats, make it out like there is a race war everywhere in the south and that is obviously not the case.

Now, do not get me wrong, there are without a doubt the rednecks out there who are racist as it gets and fly that flag just as there is a handful of shite head cops throughout the country. You can not call all cops pigs just as you should not deem somebody a racist because they appreciate and respect the Southern Flag.

On another note, nobody speaks up that its messed up that the blacks can scream BLM all day but yet it is a one way train when you try to agree that all lives matter or white lives matter and we are met with resistance and told that we are missing the point. No, the point is received loud and clear and that point is that they can do it to get their attention but we can not have the same. Does that not make them hypocritical? I am supposed to be understanding and compassionate for their matters but they greet you with a big F-you if you do not agree. It total BS and i hope other people like myself get out and vote for the first time this election.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
33869 posts
Posted on 6/26/20 at 3:45 pm to
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In reality, in the south, there is no animosity when that flag is flown.


No animosity from whom?

Posted by TigerBlazer
Member since Aug 2016
840 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:57 am to
I stand corrected. The new flag was design awesome. Oh well.
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