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re: What would you exempt under a national sales tax?

Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:33 am to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:33 am to
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"Congrats on doing well! Your side gigs are now taxed at the same level you're regular w2 income is, because marginal rates!'




What's insane about that? You think someone making 50k each at two separate jobs should be taxed less than someone making 100k at one job? That's retarded.



Also I like how you just ignore how asinine your proposal is. The retardedness of our current system has zero bearing on how braindead your proposal is.
Posted by lockthevaught
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:35 am to
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Cancer treatments? Diabetes medication? Heart surgery?

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Well we’re talking about the whole thing…. Dipshit

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Why are you limiting it to that?


Well I would consider your point irrelevant since most states, medical treatments and services provided by licensed healthcare professionals are exempt from sales tax. This exemption is typically extended to necessary medical services, including cancer treatments, heart treatments, and other critical health services.

However, certain items related to healthcare, such as medical supplies, equipment, and medications, may be subject to sales tax, depending on the state. I don't think necessity items like this should be taxed

This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 10:41 am
Posted by jclem11
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:37 am to
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Shouldn't have to have an item that's been taxed once already be taxed again. For example, If the national sales tax were already implemented today. I buy a car from a dealership tomorrow, and decide to sell it back to the dealership, then the next person who now buys that used car from the dealership should not have to pay taxes on it, since the tax was already paid by me for that car.


The second sale is a separate transaction. You will need to pay sales tax on the second transaction.

You wanted a consumption tax, so we are giving you a consumption tax.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:39 am to
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You wanted a consumption tax, so we are giving you a consumption tax.



They all want a million exemptions too.


I guess we'll have to tax normal consumer goods at 40-50% to make up for all the shite that won't be taxed under their proposals.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:44 am to
Nothing
Posted by jclem11
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:48 am to
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They all want a million exemptions too.


Yep. At the core, the consumption tax sycophants are LOLbertarians who will want to abolish government and then recreate the same systems in the private sector.

It's all retarded, reactionary thinking without much thought in how things will play out IRL.

In their consumption tax utopia given enough time this tax scheme we become as convoluted and voluminous as the current tax code.

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I guess we'll have to tax normal consumer goods at 40-50% to make up for all the shite that won't be taxed under their proposals.


Yep. By carving out a million exemptions, you must increase the rates on the taxable items to make up the short fall to achieve your desired revenue target.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:49 am to
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Nothing


If you have to bring your wife to the ER due to preeclampsia, should the hospital let your wife and unborn child die if you don't have the scratch to pay the sales tax?


ETA: Maybe the government will be nice about it and just garnish your wages and put a lien on your house instead.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 10:54 am
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:56 am to
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Nothing


If you have to bring your wife to the ER due to preeclampsia, should the hospital let your wife and unborn child die if you don't have the scratch to pay the sales tax?


ETA: Maybe the government will be nice about it and just garnish your wages and put a lien on your house instead


Once you start carving things out, it becomes useless.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:14 am to
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Well I would consider your point irrelevant since most states, medical treatments and services provided by licensed healthcare professionals are exempt from sales tax. This exemption is typically extended to necessary medical services, including cancer treatments, heart treatments, and other critical health services.

However, certain items related to healthcare, such as medical supplies, equipment, and medications, may be subject to sales tax, depending on the state. I don't think necessity items like this should be taxed

I believe in this fairytale hypothetical that they brought up everything would be taxed, including services. Which, makes the hypothetical irrelevant because it would never happen that way. Which ultimately I think is their point
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:16 am to
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I believe in this fairytale hypothetical that they brought up everything would be taxed, including services. Which, makes the hypothetical irrelevant because it would never happen that way. Which ultimately I think is their point



The question being posed is "what should be exempt". Several posters have said that nothing should be exempt.


Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:22 am to
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I believe in this fairytale hypothetical that they brought up everything would be taxed, including services.


The European model exempts very few services. Granted, medical is one, which I’m good with.

But their entire point is they want a tax system that doesn’t pick winners and losers and is simple
Posted by tokenBoiler
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:24 am to
TD Premium.
Posted by wm72
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:56 am to
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Shouldn't have to have an item that's been taxed once already be taxed again.


I lived in Italy for 6 years and had a record shop there. I collected IVA (value added tax) only on any new merch the shop sold. All used records were tax exempt since they had, theoretically, already been taxed.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:58 am to
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Nothing really, the poors need to pay their fair share.


Not just that

A couple of my baws own businesses that are heavy with cash transactions that they report as little as possible

They aint poor

Sales tax they pay more of their “fair share”
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:00 pm to
Just put in a national flat income tax. But the progs wouldn't want that because they know that the US has one of the most progressive income tax structures in the world, and they still want to be able to wail about the wealthy "paying their fair share".

Never mind that the top 1% of earners paid 40.4% of all federal income taxes in 2022. The top 10% of earners bore responsibility for 76% of all income taxes paid, and the top 25% paid 89% of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50% of filers earned 90% of all income and were responsible for 98% of all income taxes paid in 2021.
Posted by jclem11
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:01 pm to
You just dry snitched on your friends who are committing tax fraud.

Congrats. Lmao

Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:02 pm to
Suppressors. Those should be required and cheap as shite.
Posted by jclem11
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:03 pm to
What percentage of the national income did the 1% earn?

You conveniently left that out.
Posted by junkfunky
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:04 pm to
You are so simple. The product will be cheaper because of no corporate tax so the consumption tax will be a wash on the final amount owed.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:11 pm to
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The product will be cheaper because of no corporate tax


A LOT of companies pay no corporate income tax
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