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What would it take to convince you of the supernatural? (non-religious)

Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:42 am
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:42 am
I've had a close family friend that was extremely level headed all of his life, knew my late-father well, but he's recently started seeing a medium (or whatever in the hell she calls herself). Called my mother and said the medium told him some things about my dad. Mom was understandably upset, though she's not a believer. I wonder what pushed this guy over to that realm?

Is there anything that a psychic could tell you or something that a magician/medium/clairvoyant could do that would convince you that there is something to it? Is there some event, like seeing a ghost or whatever, that could make you believe?

Even if one gave me the winning lottery numbers, I'd still tell myself that it was statistically possible that they just guessed the numbers.

If I ever got to the point of actually seeing the dead, and didn't think that a trick was being played on me, then I'd assume that something is wrong with my mind.
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Posted by Shepherd
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:45 am to
The people that are "mediums" typically speak in such generalities, they allow their clients to make the connections because they want to believe. They play on grief, fear, or hope. Extreme scam artists.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:54 am to
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Even if one gave me the winning lottery numbers

If they were truly psychic they could win every lottery.
Posted by Angrybritches
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:23 am to
The medium would have to tell me something that only the deceased person and I would know, and it would need to be very specific. Your friend is getting taken advantage of.
Posted by mofungoo
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:34 am to
Phony shite by money grubbing fakes.
Posted by Brazos
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:56 am to
No one can talk to the dead.
Posted by Pepe Lepew
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:11 am to
Posted by Upperdecker
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:26 am to
I don't believe in psychics that can do all of that nonsense. But I do believe in heaven, and i think the afterlife can connect to our world at times
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:34 am to
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but he's recently started seeing a medium
Tell him to live a little and order a large.

Seriously, tell him if he wants to continue this abberent behavior that he's outside the Circle of Trust and therefore subject to asswhuppin' for shitty behavior.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:48 am to


Posted by BeerMoney
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:53 am to
I've had a few experiences in my life that make me believe in the supernatural to a degree. Essentially when the unbelievable happens more than once and it's irrefutable to you then you consider the possibility.

Still not believing any fricking mediums. I imagine if there are any real mediums out there, they ain't doing it out of a shitty trailer with a sign put front. Lottery number would make me believe though. Statistically ext to impossible to get that right.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:56 am to
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If they were truly psychic they could win every lottery.


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Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:12 am to
I don't believe mediums or any of that shite, but I believe in the paranormal to some extent.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:14 am to
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Is there anything that a psychic could tell you or something that a magician/medium/clairvoyant could do that would convince you that there is something to it?

Absolutely not. They are all total scammers.

If I saw a ghost and I was fully awake and had been awake for at least an hour, and not drinking, I would probably request a scan of my brain. If that was normal and no symptoms of mental illness appeared over the next 6-12 months, I'd consider that what I saw might have a 10% chance of being real.
Posted by Bullfrog
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:15 am to
Good mediums are hard to find but they are out there and are fully aware of this thread.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:18 am to
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Lottery number would make me believe though. Statistically next to impossible to get that right

And yet, every month or more someone does get it right. Not impossible, not impressive...lucky/chance.
Posted by unclejhim
Folsom, La.
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:31 am to
I did some re-modeling work in B.R. after Gustov. An older house of Government. Older lady (very nice) and had clients (most of them appeared to be upper middle class+) coming in to talk with her on a daily basis.
One of the rooms we were working in had the ceiling painted like the sky with the moon and stars. Also had several chairs set up in a semi-circle.
She had to meet her clients at her kitchen table because of the work. Going in and out of the house you couldn't help but pick up bits and pieces of conversations.
Strange stuff.....
Posted by PrideofTheSEC
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:37 am to
Seeing into the future for a lottery number is not the same thing as connecting to the supernatural world. Honestly it's not related at all.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:52 am to
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I don't believe in psychics that can do all of that nonsense. But I do believe in heaven, and i think the afterlife can connect to our world at times


Why do you regard psychics as nonsense but believe in heaven or afterlife connecting to our world. Outside of what you have been told, what evidence have you come across?
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:59 am to
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What would it take to convince you of the supernatural?


Something along the lines of tons of others seeing/experiencing the same thing (me seeing something is not evidence of anything but me thinking I'm seeing something) and then having it happen repeatedly with other sources, none of which are "believers" in whatever it is being claimed.

Let's just say the standard would be extremely high, but not insurmountable. But the notion that "I know what I saw" as being proof of anything has always been silly to me.

I like to use this as an example of why I don;t simply "believe" things. Sagan wrote this about alien abductions, but it honestly can be used for literally anything.

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"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air." Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire. "Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility.

Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved." Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.

Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.

Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.
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