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re: What would have prevented the amount of Flood Disaster loss of life?
Posted on 7/12/25 at 7:24 pm to Clark14
Posted on 7/12/25 at 7:24 pm to Clark14
Here is another in depth video on the geology of the hill country and why it floods the way it floods. I posted his previous video in the main thread on the floods.
Definitely worth the time.
Definitely worth the time.
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Posted on 7/12/25 at 7:34 pm to Clark14
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The finger pointing needs to stop and possible answers for the future sought.
Unfortunately, some finger pointing is going to be involved in getting those answers. It is just the nature of what happened.
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Hate isn’t an answer to anything.
Asking questions and expecting accountability does not equal hate. Chalking this up to "fate" won't get the answers people are wanting.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 8:10 pm to Sun God
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I’ve been to places far more remote than that camp and we had WiFi and cell service It’s not the 1990s
Yep. Wasn’t it Obama that put something like billions of dollars into rural fiber internet installation?
Internet and cell towers go down. But can weather radio stations not go down also?
Connecting phones to Internet that’s either satellite, fiber, etc seems like the main solution. Again, people were at home in bed. It’s one thing to not be able to prevent a search and rescue effort in remote areas. But some sort of notification of people at home in bed, imo starts with WiFi and cell towers.
There’s only so much the government can do. I liken this to the parable of the drowning man, where God sends 3 attempts to rescue a man but he kept praying expecting God to stop the flooding. At some point, people have to take some individual responsibility to be self sufficient.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 8:54 pm to Sun God
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Sun God
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I’ve been to places far more remote than that camp and we had WiFi and cell service
Congrats? I’m just telling you how it is out there.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 8:56 pm to LegendInMyMind
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LegendInMyMind
Based on the flood elevations and water lines in the cabins, it appears this was a 500 year event or possibly higher.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:16 pm to baldona
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Connecting phones to Internet that’s either satellite, fiber, etc seems like the main solution. Again, people were at home in bed. It’s one thing to not be able to prevent a search and rescue effort in remote areas. But some sort of notification of people at home in bed, imo starts with WiFi and cell towers.
The NOAA weather radio system rarely fails completely, and will work when cell towers are overloaded, down, or the power is out. Most areas are covered by overlapping radio towers. It may take knowing how to change frequencies or channels on the radio, but it can be done if a tower fails which is usually from tornado damage or a direct lightning strike.
On 4/27/2011 power was out for many, so no TV coverage was to be had. It took incredible luck to get a call or text through due to the cell towers being overloaded and some being damaged. The only options we had were TV coverage simulcast on terrestrial radio and the NOAA weather radio, which kept working through it all.
Having more than one reliable way to get warning is crucial. I will always recommend a NOAA weather radio with battery backup because you can set and forget it, and it will wake you up in the middle of the night. Then, your cell phone. But, not just the EAS notifications. You can download your favorite local news whether app and allow their push notifications to come through, but creating a Xwitter account and following your local NWS office account will get you a notification for every warning they issue with the appropriate graphics.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:28 pm to TutHillTiger
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Better warning systems would have saved some lives
The Government, under the previous administration, tried to give them money for it but they declined because it was coming from Biden. They did take the money but it went to the Sheriff's department. They didn't want to spend it on Sirens and warning systems. Congratulations, "Sticking it to the Lybs!", has cost you innocent lives
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:29 pm to AGGIES
A sunny day
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:41 pm to YNWA
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The Government, under the previous administration, tried to give them money for it but they declined because it was coming from Biden. They did take the money but it went to the Sheriff's department. They didn't want to spend it on Sirens and warning systems. Congratulations, "Sticking it to the Lybs!", has cost you innocent lives
Where can I read more about this?
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:50 pm to AGGIES
1 inch of rain will produce almost 30000 gallons of water (runoff) 1 square mile 640 acres & 1 inch of rain would be over 19 million gallons. When nature hits nature will win every time. It was a horrible tragedy as all natural disasters there is always a story.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 9:59 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:03 pm to DMAN1968
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I heard on the radio something about the NWS not correctly reading the size of the raindrops and thus miscalculating the amount of rainfall.
They literally sent out notices non stop in a timely manner. From a flood warning, to watch, to emergency. There typically would be 2 on shift with jurisdiction of that area. There was 5 directly because they knew it would be bad.
They did everything short of calling the Mayor directly. They didn’t misinterpret anything. State and local should have a designated individual whose responsibility includes monitoring these things.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:07 pm to Thecoz
They accepted the funds two months later. I wonder what the county has done with that $10 million in the three and a half years since then?
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:16 pm to AGGIES
I don’t really know but one thing I will say is Abbott calling people losers and using an incredibly horrible football game team story was absolutely disgusting.
It is amazing how these people can even tie their shoes.
It is amazing how these people can even tie their shoes.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:19 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 7/13/25 at 4:35 pm to bluedragon
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live in Birmingham. My weather radio was so bad, it’s in the basement unplugged
So do I and my weather radio works great. Maybe you don’t have it programmed correctly.
Posted on 7/13/25 at 4:38 pm to AGGIES
No rain
Posted on 7/13/25 at 4:48 pm to bluedragon
You know those big TV towers on top of Red Mountain? One of those carries KIH-54 at 162.55 MHz. A year ago I watched their new antenna get hauled up the tower. Well-built; high gain. Power for the main and backup radio is fed from two local Alabama Power circuits, backed up with a hi-rel generator.
My point? Fix your receiver.
My point? Fix your receiver.
This post was edited on 7/13/25 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 7/13/25 at 6:00 pm to baldona
Lmno
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 1:58 am
Posted on 7/13/25 at 6:09 pm to AGGIES
Some of the camps moved to safer ground, but the didn't have 700 girls with nowhere to put them. I suspect that that was on factor in assessing the risk for something that was unpredictable.
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