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Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:23 pm to Mike da Tigah
Insanity
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:34 pm to Epic Cajun
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I know someone with a kid who I guess is now around 5 years old (maybe 6 or 7 I don't know because I haven't spoken to the parents in years), that is doing something similar. They have a boy who the mom brings with her to pedicure appointments to get his nails painted, they put him in dance classes where he is the only boy, and the mom posted something about how people shouldn't judge if they have a gay child when the kid was like 3 years old.
This is pretty much exactly what we witnessed.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:46 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:But this rises to the crux of the issue.
I guess my point is when these doctors are dealing with extreme cases they roll with treatments that show the greatest possibility of a positive out come.
For the first time ever, we are being told that the only way to address the delusion is to support said delusion, something that has never shown success and is counter to all known psychiatric practice.
quote:As with most positions, I can nearly guarantee most physicians do not support this treatment method, but kowtow to the mindset out of fear of losing their jobs.
Thats the only explanation I cant think of as to why so many seem to support gender re-assignment as a treatment.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/1/22 at 2:06 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:That's the crux of the issue isn't it?
What concerns me is what appears to be this growing trend to rush the treatments in children.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 2:36 pm to Scruffy
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Fit the first time ever, we are being told that the only way to address the delusion is to support said delusion, something that has never shown success and is counter to all known psychiatric practice.
Once again you make rational sense and I appreciate the discussion however the word delusional is not exactly how I would describe some of these folks. Your example of the guy that thinks he is Jesus is delusional. My sister was fully aware that she was mentally ill. She could see her weight on the scale but she struggled daily with the perception she was fat until the day she died. No amount of treatment ( and my parents went bankrupt trying to "cure" her) could get her past that line of thinking.
Im guessing its the same for these transgender folks as well. They know their biological sex but no amount of therapy is going to change their thinking and they are miserable in the body they are born. So what is there left to do?
Now I'm not talking about these cases that are being discussed a lot on here where the parents are flaming liberals and have this need to make their child special or a kid that has been influenced socially into thinking they different to get attention. That happens with anorexic nervosa patients as well. Girls especially are vulnerable to body image issues but most can get through it with therapy. I'm talking about the folks with deep seeded mental health issues that to which no amount of therapy is going to change their thought process.
The trend seems to be to lump all these together including some for whom its an extreme form of fetishism and prescribe the same treatment.
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As with most positions, I can nearly guarantee most physicians do not support this treatment method, but kowtow to the mindset out of fear of losing their jobs.
Thats a problem. Thats a big problem.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/1/22 at 2:41 pm to WildManGoose
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That's the crux of the issue isn't it?
For me it s the trend towards the rushing of treatment vs taking out parental choice via banning of treatment. I'm currently fence sitting on it.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 2:43 pm to Mike da Tigah
Now are the politards are here. Great job.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 2:47 pm to ThuperThumpin
Sympathy goes out the window when they push it on kids. And so it should.
How about not pushing it on children?
How about not pushing it on children?
I wish the best on anyone suffering from mental illness. But this is manufactured and deeply unethical.
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Im guessing its the same for these transgender folks as well. They know they biological sex but no amount of therapy is going to change their thinking and they are miserable in the body they are born. So what is there left to do?
How about not pushing it on children?
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The trend seems to be to lump all these together including some for whom its an extreme form of fetishism and prescribe the same treatment.
How about not pushing it on children?
I wish the best on anyone suffering from mental illness. But this is manufactured and deeply unethical.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 2:52 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:Recognizing the nature of your thoughts does not negate the fact that it is a delusion.
Your example of the guy that thinks he is Jesus is delusional. My sister was fully aware that she was mentally ill. She could see her weight on the scale but she struggled daily with the perception she was fat until the day she died.
The one thing that they all seem to have in common is a rejection of reality.
Anorexia, for example, is an absolutely terrible disease because the thoughts are still prevalent even though the individual knows they are irrational.
But, never would anyone in their right mind tell an anorexic individual to starve themselves to affirm their delusions that they are overweight.
And, yes, it is still a delusion. It is a driving belief that isn’t grounded in reality.
And, that is no way supposed to be insulting, it is merely a statement of fact.
quote:Counseling and therapy.
They know they biological sex but no amount of therapy is going to change their thinking and they are miserable in the body they are born. So what is there left to do?
This isn’t like homosexuality. The delusion there was on the side of the physicians. They were rejecting the reality that these individuals were attracted to the same sex.
This is a situation of rejecting a physical fact of reality and affirming that rejection by physical and hormonal interventions.
quote:Well, much like Covid, there is only one acceptable stance.
Thats a problem. Thats a big problem.
Even being in the Midwest, I keep my views to myself.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 4/1/22 at 3:01 pm to ThuperThumpin
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/1/22 at 3:02 pm to USMCguy121
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How about not pushing it on children?
I wish the best on anyone suffering from mental illness. But this is manufactured and deeply unethical.
I agree a lot of this is socially influenced and its ultimately to the detriment of those that are really mentally ill. As far as pushing it on children I dont think any of my post suggest that I support pushing anything on anyone.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 3:24 pm to TigerIron
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I don't think the concerns are really overblown. If they were saying "this is a rare mental illness and it deserves understanding for the few people who have it," that'd be fine. But that was several years ago. Now it's "every child needs to explore their identity and decide for themselves"--identity is sacred and a "trans" identity isn't recognized as aberrant, it's to be celebrated and nurtured. It's even a way for an unpopular or uncomfortable kid to be special and get validation, at a time when most kids are incredibly vulnerable and confused.
I was talking about treatments not education but I do see where it overlaps. Right now I err on the side of parental responsibility on both the treatment side and the educational side. I dont think treatments should be banned out right by the government but I don t think schools need to be teaching this stuff to kids as they are way to young to understand it..which pretty much make it indoctrination.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 5:08 pm to Scruffy
One more question...the published data appears to be limited but what I've found does seem to support the AMA's positve positions on gender reassignment and transition therapies for adults and children. Would you agree? Not with their position mind you....but just that statement.
Thats not a gotcha either...if the data is limited thats problematic too.
Thats not a gotcha either...if the data is limited thats problematic too.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 5:51 pm to TexasTiger90
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Wasn't the Antichrist supposed to be universally liked?
Could he be the devil?
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