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re: What has made society become so selfishly-violent ala Columbine?

Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:21 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:21 pm to
That doesn't say anything about mass casualty events
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:22 pm to
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What made the 90’s so bad?



Posted by nola000
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:22 pm to
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What made the 90’s so bad?


I was a teenager.
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 9:24 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:24 pm to
80s and 90s were results of gang wars over the drug trade. It was just gangsters killing gamgsters
Posted by nola000
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:25 pm to
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That doesn't say anything about mass casualty events


why are mass casualty events particularly interesting or important to you? Violence is violence. Does it matter what kind of violence it is?

If just for the sake of argument because it's a unique type of violence, then yeah. We can have that conversation. Otherwise, I don't see the point.
Posted by nola000
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:26 pm to
What about the 70s then? Today's violent crime rates are the same as they were in the 70s up until about 74 75. Every year after that was higher then what we see today. 76 through 79 all had higher violent crime rates then the past 4-5 years. Are you blaming the higher violence in the mid-to-late 70s on crack and gangs?

This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:28 pm to
Posted by nola000
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:29 pm to
BOOM
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:29 pm to
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What about the 70s then? Today's violent crime rates are the same as they were in the 70s up until about 74 75. Every year after that was higher then what we see today


The war on drugs started in the early 70s. Mass incarceration in the 90s started reversing the homicide rate. We live in a quasi police state.
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:29 pm to
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Posted by nola000
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:30 pm to
The other message this conveys to me is that is very random from year to year and that there isn't really any overall trend in regards to school shootings
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:30 pm to
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Since Columbine, the one common thing with every school shooter was the desire for notoriety.


Those dudes are like icons to some of these troubled kids.

I think one guy even bought the same gun Harris used to go shoot up his school.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:32 pm to
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The war on drugs started in the early 70s. Mass incarceration in the 90s started reversing the homicide rate. We live in a quasi police state.


I agree with you that we live in a police state. The best way to fix that? Legalize drugs. I don't mean tax and regulate. I don't mean legalized some drugs. I mean legalize all and every drug known to man. If some people aren't capable of handling their shite then we need to let natural selection cleanse our gene pool of those weak individuals so that the rest of us can enjoy drugs without the stigma and jail time Associated because other people are too weak to handle it.

Native peoples the world throughout in throughout history have utilized the Bounty of nature without any addictions or social problems. Society's view of drugs and people who use them, even recreationally, I think adds to the problems associated with drug use
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 9:34 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:33 pm to
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why are mass casualty events particularly interesting or important to you?


Because it's a totally separate category.

Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:35 pm to
Interesting.

On the surface, your chart seems to contradict TH03s chart. But what they really show is that the number of school shootings have gone up while the number of deaths resulting from school shootings has gone down. Basically, everybody wants to be a cowboy but they don't put that practice time in and can't hit the broadside of a barn
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 9:36 pm
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:37 pm to
Either way, 15 to 25 can hardly be considered an epidemic. There's 365 days in a year, 400 million people in this country and likely hundreds of thousands of schools and universities. You literally have a better chance of winning the lottery then being a victim of a school shooting.

We, as a society, should really be focusing on the more important things that do affect their everyday lives. Term limits for politicians, getting money out of politics and government, reducing size of government, going back to a Breadwinner and stay-at-home parent family dynamic, fully funding our justice system, Etc
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 9:40 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:38 pm to
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Legalize drugs


It's the only real solution

The reason mass casualty/active shooter events are different is that most other homicide id family, acquaintece, drug trade related. You most likely know the person who kills you

Active shooter is different in that there really isn't a predictor or reason outside of the attention one gets.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:38 pm to
Mine shows deaths, his just shows incidents. So his chart might show 1 incident, but it may have killed 15 people. Or 15 incidents but only a few died.

They shouldn't really be compared.
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 9:39 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:40 pm to
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On the surface, your chart seems to contradict TH03s chart


Nah, read his qualifiers. His is a different scope
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 9:41 pm
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 9:44 pm to
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