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re: What happened to the hole in the ozone layer?

Posted on 10/24/19 at 7:06 pm to
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
3190 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 7:06 pm to
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allowed for the very high SEER units we have available today


While it is more efficient, variable speed scroll compressors and fans is what really gives us the really high SEER systems of today.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22348 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 7:08 pm to
They patched it with duct tape. If duct tape can’t fix it, you didn’t use enough duct tape.
Posted by Armymann50
Playing with my
Member since Sep 2011
17272 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 7:10 pm to
Trump repaired it MAGA
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 7:13 pm to
The same thing that happened to the coming ice age in the 70’s/80’s, the y2k event, the global warming that would supposedly cause all of the coastline to be underwater, the climate change.... etc.

It’s all one big scare tactic. It’s based off of manufactured data in the hopes of scaring us all into allowing our freedoms and decisions to be taken from us and given to those who supposedly know better.

Oh, and acid rain.... remember how that shite was supposed to kill everything.
Posted by munchman
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
10326 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 8:56 pm to
We shot a nuclear missile at it and the heat welded it shut.


Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 9:02 pm to
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The acid rain cured it. Then Global warming cured the acid rain. Climate change fixed Global warming. I believe banning assault rifles will fix Climate Change.

Yeah, but what they're not telling you is that it takes acid rain to fix the assault rifles.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
28061 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 9:37 pm to
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It stopped getting bigger. And it has been shrinking for like the last 20 years or so.

LOL, no

It was the 3rd largest ever in 2015 at 28.4

In 2017 it went down to 19.6. Then last year it went up to 24.8

So no, its not 'fixed'. It fluctuates. Much like global temps. Its all based upon sun activity, not mans activity
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9545 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:53 pm to
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Sometimes you have to look a little farther than dogma. On the whole, most of us benefitted from the switch from R22 to R410a in our A/C units. R410a is more efficient than R22 and is what has allowed for the very high SEER units we have available today. Sometimes change is good even if you don't like the impetus.


The market would have solved for this if it was truly the most efficient path.

Regulations in a non-monopolistic market increase costs somewhere down the line.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38877 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:57 pm to
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It fluctuates. Much like global temps. Its all based upon sun activity, not mans activity




It fluctuates but the trajectory is down. Reducing man made chemicals was a benefit to the ozone.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
17130 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:59 pm to
Al Gore got tons of praise for all that
Posted by Peepdip
Member since Aug 2016
4946 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 12:05 am to
Breaking news: Conservatives don't understand science.

Another hot debate, do thoughts and prayers help prevent death? Tune in tomorrow to find out!
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38877 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 12:06 am to
Praise Jesus the tornado didn't hit my house. God is good....oh, my neighbors? Jesus will help them.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26708 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 12:11 am to
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Did we patch that baw up?


Awwww, hell yeah. Got some of that Flex Seal on that bitch. Ain't leaking no UV rays now, is you?
Posted by offshoreangler
713, Texas
Member since Jun 2008
22351 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 12:14 am to
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We welded that sucker up, baw.



Tig or mig?
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 12:24 am to
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Got some of that Flex Seal on that bitch.


Flex Seal is worthless unless ya got Phil Swift.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26095 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 12:33 am to
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The market would have solved for this if it was truly the most efficient path.

Regulations in a non-monopolistic market increase costs somewhere down the line.


These are the type of bullet points that sound great in a Macro 101 textbook but fail to take into account the huge number of variables and particularly time to market.

Adoption of something like a new refrigerant based A/C system in an unregulated market even if it is superior often requires a long runway to significant market penetration. There isn't a significant consumable backend to allow for penetration pricing. It requires both early adopters prepared to accept the risk and modest rewards due to early to market pricing. It also requires significant manufacturing concerns to devote lots of money to R&D and education/marketing to develop a viable market.

One case study to consider is the high definition digital TV. Prior to the digital mandate, HD TV moved along fairly slowly with hardware being very expensive and 16:9 HD content and delivery ramping up slowly. After the mandate the quality of displays went up prices dropped like a rock and HD programming and delivery became ubiquitous. I paid almost $5k for a 65" Mits rear-projection HDTV in 2002 today I can buy a 65" smart flat panel with a better picture in pretty much every metric (save black levels) for under $500. This market would not be where it is without governmental intervention. I think most baws on a sports forum would agree their life is better for it.

ETA Edited since I have a huge problem with homonyms, I suppose that makes me homophobic.
This post was edited on 10/25/19 at 1:04 am
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38877 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 12:44 am to
Stop using logic on these neanderthals. It's a futile endeavour.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76752 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 12:59 am to
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Breaking news: Conservatives don't understand science.


Liberals don’t understand that women don’t have penises.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9545 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:24 am to
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Adoption of something like a new refrigerant based A/C system in an unregulated market even if it is superior often requires a long runway to significant market penetration. There isn't a significant consumable backend to allow for penetration pricing. It requires both early adopters prepared to accept the risk and modest rewards due to early to market pricing. It also requires significant manufacturing concerns to devote lots of money to R&D and education/marketing to develop a viable market.


Very pedantic post. Can you talk specifics instead of overly using the Econ 101 jargon?

What I'm gathering is that you're suggesting the government put in regulations to force R&D down a certain path and the subsequent risk taking?

That in itself pushes smaller companies out of the market because they don't have the capital to invest in R&D for new refrigerant relative to the bigger players, and therefore increases costs for the end consumer because there is now less competition, and companies then push their mandated R&D costs back down to the consumer.

It would be the same concept as the government mandating electric cars, or solar power plants.

You have to understand this, right?
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 10/25/19 at 1:41 am to
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Liberals don’t understand that women don’t have penises.


Naw. Gender and sex are two distinct things.

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