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re: What, exactly, makes one car so much more reliable than the next?
Posted on 1/8/22 at 6:50 am to mikelbr
Posted on 1/8/22 at 6:50 am to mikelbr
Dang, well said mikelbr. I've preached this 30 years in the hospital labs. It has made a huge difference in the labs that seriously adopted it. Always look to improve the process, CQI and PDCA!
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Posted on 1/8/22 at 6:57 am to Zachary
I honestly don’t know much about this subject, but I have three Fords (Expedition, Edge, Explorer) and a big Lexus SUV my wife drives (I don’t know what it’s called but it’s their biggest one). All four are very reliable. There basically is no difference because they are all about perfect when it comes to reliability. I like the Fords better because they have more advanced adoption of technology.
Before these cars I had a few Buicks and they were also extremely reliable. I might be full of shite, but it seems to me that cars are mostly built by robots now, and they are all damn reliable.
Before these cars I had a few Buicks and they were also extremely reliable. I might be full of shite, but it seems to me that cars are mostly built by robots now, and they are all damn reliable.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:04 am to Zachary
Uhhh, maintenance?
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:04 am to Penrod
Anecdotal, but my FIL drives a 2018 Ford F-150 that spends more time in the shop than in his driveway. It’s the only “experience” I have had with a Ford and enough for me to never buy one. I’ve only ever owned Toyotas and Hondas and over a 17 year stretch, neither of them has/had ever been in a mechanic’s shop. Ever.
That’s all I have to add to this topic.
That’s all I have to add to this topic.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:11 am to CrawDude
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Japanese auto manufacturers followed the of advice and recommendations of American engineer, statistician and business consultant W. Edwards Deming from the get-go post WWII - American auto manufacturers did not.
This right here!!!!^^^^^^
This process actually came full circle and was forced on the major oil companies by the Japanese auto manufacturers. Why? Because the major oil companies owned chemical plants and produced the plastic bb stock for the automotive industry. I went through this class in the mid 80's. It was very informative.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:03 am to Zachary
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Land Cruiser versus comparably priced Range Rover.
One is made by a reputable manufacturer.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:04 am to Zachary
Required maintenance.
If you take care of any car, it should last forever.
LOL at the usual OT Toyota circle jerk.
My wife's father was in the Coast Guard during WWII, when she bought her first car it was a Honda Accord. After all those years, he refused to ride in it...
If you take care of any car, it should last forever.
LOL at the usual OT Toyota circle jerk.
My wife's father was in the Coast Guard during WWII, when she bought her first car it was a Honda Accord. After all those years, he refused to ride in it...
This post was edited on 1/8/22 at 8:48 am
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:19 am to TDsngumbo
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Anecdotal, but my FIL drives a 2018 Ford F-150 that spends more time in the shop than in his driveway. It’s the only “experience” I have had with a Ford and enough for me to never buy one. I’ve only ever owned Toyotas and Hondas and over a 17 year stretch, neither of them has/had ever been in a mechanic’s shop. Ever.
That’s all I have to add to this topic.
Toyota has a better track record when it comes to reliability than Ford overall, I agree, but I also agree with the poster about the Toyota circle jerk. Toyota killed 89 people in the early 2000s with the accelerator pedal problem, and ended up paying a record fine at the time for their failure to address the problem in a timely manner. All manufacturers face recalls and problems.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:23 am to Zachary
American mfgs (lately German too) put out marginal shite with a bunch of pseudo luxury items. They sell based on features.
Toyota had Honda care more about their reliability.
Toyota had Honda care more about their reliability.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:29 am to Zachary
Asian efficiency and attention to detail versus Western union labor.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:13 am to Hangover Haven
quote:My Pops was a Pacific Theater WWII combat veteran Airborne.
My wife's father was in the Coast Guard during WWII, when she bought her first car it was a Honda Accord. After all those years, he refused to ride in it...
We were the first folks in our ZIP Code to own a Toyota.
Funny how some folks think differently.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:15 am to Zachary
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Even when comparing autos of comparable prices, some are worlds more reliable than others. Just one example: Land Cruiser versus comparably priced Range Rover. What about the way they are put together accounts for the gap in reliability?
Build quality yes, however, SERVICE, MAINTENANCE and overall care by the owner are 80% of it, period.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:20 am to Zachary
Six sigma
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:21 am to Zachary
The engineering and design of critical parts.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:25 am to Napoleon
Toyota/Lexus will not sell a car with more than 100 horsepower per liter. This is the secret to reliability.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:26 am to slackster
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The majority of the “reliability” factor is usually reputation these days.
I don't think so. I've purchased seven new cars in my life: two Hondas, two Subarus, two Fords, and a Chevrolet.
Nothing ever broke on the Hondas.
The Subarus and Fords didn't give me much trouble, either- just a few recalls and little stuff like alternators and an IAC motor.
The Chevy crumbled with shocking rapidity around 50,000 miles.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:38 am to slackster
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The majority of the “reliability” factor is usually reputation these days.
Consumer Reports. Real data.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:43 am to Penrod
I’ve had Chevy, Fords, Toyota, Honda’s. Good luck with all. My father only bought Chevy trucks for himself and Buick or Chevy for my mom and they all lasted. Good luck I guess.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:46 am to Napoleon
I read that back in the 80s GM engineers would deconstruct Japanese cars and analyze everything just to try and figure out why they lasted so long. Not sure if they figured it out.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 9:50 am to Hangover Haven
You can laugh at the Toyota circle jerk all you want. But there’s a damn good reason for it. American companies don’t care about reliability. Also, Toyota is more American than the actual American companies because they use American labor to build while “American” companies use Mexicans and Canadians more and more.
This post was edited on 1/8/22 at 9:52 am
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