re: What do modern women bring to a relationships with men?

I think both things are true.

I think it is "harder" out there, at least if you're searching for a wholesome spouse. I feel like you do about marriage and its inherent value and that this incel attitude is unhelpful.

But just like I think there are some very real obstacles for young people trying to make money, own homes, etc. while simultaneously thinking the softness of the current generation only makes those things harder - I think there are some serious issues confronting traditionally-minded men when it comes to finding wives in this era.

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Personally I think if you don’t see the value in marriage, you should just stay single.

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yep because if you don’t value it - you won’t have any reason to work on the marriage and make it work

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There’s worse things in life than dying alone in a nursing home, right?

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yep

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These men often don't cut their own grass, fix their own cars, fix up the house, and do all that traditional male roles that occurred in traditional family life.

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Many wont touch this line but it's a true one.

I dont see many men in my neighborhood that cut their own grass. Almost none to be exact. And honestly over the years Ive seen more women cutting grass in general.

That said, women's roles arent subsidized in large part unless you have cleaning service, maid, etc.

I think a lot of what you say holds true.

Also, yall know me, I am hard on women folk.

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yep because if you don’t value it - you won’t have any reason to work on the marriage and make it work
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Stingray coochie eliminates non value.

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I think it is "harder" out there, at least if you're searching for a wholesome spouse. I feel like you do about marriage and its inherent value and that this incel attitude is unhelpful.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm saying most men don't have to go full on incel to have a toxic mindset and worldview and that ensures constant failure.

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But just like I think there are some very real obstacles for young people trying to make money, own homes, etc. while simultaneously thinking the softness of the current generation only makes those things harder - I think there are some serious issues confronting traditionally-minded men when it comes to finding wives in this era.

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Well the urban/rural divide creates a huge issue here, IMHO.

This somewhat goes back to my point about men not wanting to be traditional themselves. You're going to have a much more likely time finding that traditional spouse in a rural setting due to culture. Those settings are more socially conservative, religious, etc. But there is a tradeoff. Those settings aren't conducive to modern jobs, your SOL will be less, and you'll have to be a "man's man" to make up for it. You also are less likely to find matching levels of intelligence/education, which causes its own friction in relationship dynamics.

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what I see in the real world.

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A lot of "traditional males" with SAHM wives didn't do this stuff, they hired people to do it and took their wives on trips and had a social life outside the home that extended to their domestic wife and had groups of like-minded friends.

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Not the real world. I get it, you want that to be the real world its not.

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”A misogynist is a man that hates women as much as women hate each other” - HL Mencken

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Ive never read this before, greatness.

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Yeah, she's ugly, but she sure can cook, baby!

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The late great PJ O’rourke was fond of passing on marriage advice he received as a young man: Cookin’ lasts. Kissin’ don’t.

Damn. Porn has ruined an entire generation of men.

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SaintsTiger

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Thanks for showing that you're an incel.