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re: What can you tell me about the Construction Management program at LSU?
Posted on 4/17/22 at 10:59 pm to bosmack337
Posted on 4/17/22 at 10:59 pm to bosmack337
CM grad here.
The program for the degree wasn't too bad so your brother should be fine off if he studies enough.
In Louisiana, he can find a job easily regardless of what type of construction and what city he is in.
And depending on various factors, pay overall should be fine. Likely start at like $50,000 and can get up to 6 figures a year within 5-10 years.
In my experience since graduating, I am doing fine. I was never super interested or fond of construction. I just couldn't think of any other major I thought was better.
I have had a lot of cons but also a lot of pros with what I've dealt with but it's been fine. Best of luck to your brother on this endeavor.
And I agree with yall in LSU's CM program. Say what you want about academics at LSU, but their CM program is great. Helps you adapt to post-graduation life and it's one of the better ones in America too.
The program for the degree wasn't too bad so your brother should be fine off if he studies enough.
In Louisiana, he can find a job easily regardless of what type of construction and what city he is in.
And depending on various factors, pay overall should be fine. Likely start at like $50,000 and can get up to 6 figures a year within 5-10 years.
In my experience since graduating, I am doing fine. I was never super interested or fond of construction. I just couldn't think of any other major I thought was better.
I have had a lot of cons but also a lot of pros with what I've dealt with but it's been fine. Best of luck to your brother on this endeavor. And I agree with yall in LSU's CM program. Say what you want about academics at LSU, but their CM program is great. Helps you adapt to post-graduation life and it's one of the better ones in America too.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 11:03 pm
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 11:06 pm to A Menace to Sobriety
All I can say is after several years of project development, it’s pretty cool to watch it all come together.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 11:29 pm to Klondikekajun
quote:Like what? Ballpark.
Couple it with an MBA or law degree and you’ll name your price
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:18 am to bosmack337
Honestly, I’d tell him to shoot for one of the big firms that start lower pay (still decent). Know lots of baws who work at PCL, at one point had an offer from Whiting Turner. Essentially because of stock plans and pensions, if you start out at the company and never leave, by mid 50s your retiring.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:35 am to bosmack337
First things first. He's gonna need some
shite kickers, a skoal can, costas and as many PFGs as a baw can carry in his F-250
In all seriousness I got it because of the job market. You can't automate construction, within 12 months of graduation 98% of their graduates had a job in the construction industry.
Tell him to join CSA and be active. It's still a good ole baw club. I got my first internship at a skeet shoot from a half drunk PM who had fun talking to me about baseball.
I graduated 8 years ago now. Started making 6 figures right under 3 years out but I was grinding those first couple of years. First to the jobsite, last to leave, no stone left unturned.
I'm outside all day, can come and go as I please and I have my contractors license in 2 states. I coach my kids baseball teams and constantly get calls from recruiters. Hell they're begging for PMs, Estimators and Supers in Florida and Texas right now.
Majority of guys go commercial. Some industrial and some residential.
I've worked in all 3. I love residential. Less money but way better hours, never nights or weekends. Get off all major holidays and never in a shady part of town. I have a buddy who I graduated with who specializes in Hotel remodel construction so he's constantly got major jobs in downtown NOLA.
I know he's going to clear 180 this year and I'll only make 115ish but I supplement with either flips or custom homes. Made $90k on flips last year and $60 so far this year.
So my total income will be above his but his hours are brutal compared to mine.
shite kickers, a skoal can, costas and as many PFGs as a baw can carry in his F-250
In all seriousness I got it because of the job market. You can't automate construction, within 12 months of graduation 98% of their graduates had a job in the construction industry.
Tell him to join CSA and be active. It's still a good ole baw club. I got my first internship at a skeet shoot from a half drunk PM who had fun talking to me about baseball.
I graduated 8 years ago now. Started making 6 figures right under 3 years out but I was grinding those first couple of years. First to the jobsite, last to leave, no stone left unturned.
I'm outside all day, can come and go as I please and I have my contractors license in 2 states. I coach my kids baseball teams and constantly get calls from recruiters. Hell they're begging for PMs, Estimators and Supers in Florida and Texas right now.
Majority of guys go commercial. Some industrial and some residential.
I've worked in all 3. I love residential. Less money but way better hours, never nights or weekends. Get off all major holidays and never in a shady part of town. I have a buddy who I graduated with who specializes in Hotel remodel construction so he's constantly got major jobs in downtown NOLA.
I know he's going to clear 180 this year and I'll only make 115ish but I supplement with either flips or custom homes. Made $90k on flips last year and $60 so far this year.
So my total income will be above his but his hours are brutal compared to mine.
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 5:46 am
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:39 am to Ron Cheramie
quote:
UL Monroe CM degree > LSU CM degree
ULM has an enrollment of 8k
LSU has an enrollment of 45k
LSU's program is ranked higher.
Lol even in Monroe, LSU's degrees carry's more weight
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:41 am to The Boat
quote:Unless you want to be onsite using your hands.
Start in engineering and try to finish that then switch to CM if you can’t cut it in engineering.
My old roommates got a degree in Petroleum Engineering. His job sucks dick and I make more than him now working about 1/3 of the hours.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:03 am to A Menace to Sobriety
quote:
And depending on various factors, pay overall should be fine. Likely start at like $50,000 and can get up to 6 figures a year within 5-10 years.
Damn, if starting pay in Louisiana for a CM, id definitely be looking outside of the state for a few years. Maybe just for residential? But commercial in FL, they can probably expect 65k
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:26 am to Indfanfromcol
I started around 70k right after graduation in oil and gas. Years 3 and 4 I switched to government and I made $150k each year averaging 46 hours per week. Year 5 I made around $115k but worked a lot less and moved to a much better location. You get what you put in
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:50 am to bosmack337
My twin attends the CM school at ULM great school I’ve heard different things about the program at LSU if successful he won’t have any trouble finding a job plenty
Posted on 4/18/22 at 4:42 pm to Yeti_Chaser
quote:
Years 3 and 4 I switched to government and I made $150k each year averaging 46 hours per week.
Were you a contractor doing public work or were you employed by the county/parish or state?
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:01 pm to bosmack337
Graduated from LSU with a CM degree in 2018. If your brother is looking to live the college life while also getting a good degree it’s the move. Very manageable. Finding a job was super easy for me. Lots of different paths you can go. Just from minimal experience I’d say work commercial over residential but that’s just preference. Damn I wish I was back in college. The good ole days.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:32 pm to Solo Cam
quote:
Lol even in Monroe, LSU's degrees carry's more weight
From what I have seen, ULM guys are afraid to leave the bubble of Monroe or honestly the state of LA so I agree with that and Monroe is so ate up with LSU anyway I further approve of this statement. ULM might have an awesome CM program but I wouldn't know. Honestly, when it comes to pipelining, Tech guys are much more willing to come to TX for some reason. I hardly ever see a ULM or NLU grad in my business and I know pretty much every contractor and most subs in Houston, although there are a metric shite ton of field pipeliners that come out of places like Farmerville, Oak Grove, and West Monroe.
The biggest draw for most CM folks and engineers as well here in Houston is networking. A&M and LSU are hands down tops in being able to network here in Houston and that means a lot when trying to get hired or trying to negotiate a deal.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:54 pm to dillpickleLSU
quote:
150k jobs are few and far between
This is just false.
Houston/Texas in general is booming. I am under 30 with 5 years experience. Constantly get cold called by recruiters looking to fill 100-125k positions. Add in a truck, gas card, and typical 10-15% bonus and 150k comes quick.
Can you interview well and work your dick I the dirt for your first 3-5 years out of college?
If so my company will hire you tomorrow and within 5 years your base+truck+bonus will be well past 150k.
People worth a shot that are willing to grind out those first few years are few and far between right now.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:04 pm to BeerMoney
Tell me you are poor without telling me
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:10 pm to LSUnatick
From what I’ve seen it’s a great major - you can drink and fight for four years and come out and develop a net worth of millions. Er....why didn’t I do that??? 
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:15 pm to Indfanfromcol
Where are you baws working with your CM degree?! I graduated 3 years ago and currently work out of NOLA for one of the larger commercial contractors. I’m only at 71k per year before taxes. I know working in other states definitely pays better though. I’m guessing that’s where y’all are out of
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:40 pm to baseballmind1212
quote:
Constantly get cold called by recruiters looking to fill 100-125k positions. Add in a truck, gas card, and typical 10-15% bonus and 150k comes quick.
Thats not a 150k+ job then.
There are 100k jobs all day long. I used to make 110k plus per diem, truck allowance, gas card.....it is still a 110k job.
150k + jobs are few and far between. I have had 2 of them, they are extremely hard to find. Electric utility contracting probably pays the most.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:42 pm to NorthShoreTiger44
quote:
I’m only at 71k per year before taxes. I know working in other states definitely pays better though. I
Typical OT exaggeration and adding truck allowances and per diem into salaries. At the end of the day they are still only worth their base pay, not the fluff with all the add ons
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 4/18/22 at 7:28 pm to dillpickleLSU
quote:
Typical OT exaggeration and adding truck allowances and per diem into salaries
Well truck allowances can be factored into a salary if you never get a company vehicle. I haven't driven a company vehicle in years although my current employer gives Senior PM's and Directors some pretty sweet trucks. I just don't care for the man to know where I am, how fast I drive, and what I put on my truck (tires, Rollin'Lock, etc...).
Now per diem, I can go with. That perk goes away the minute you come out of the field and become a full blown office snob. They award you with a company credit card and a deduct of about $25K a year.
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