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re: WeWork Cites ‘Substantial Doubt’ That It Can Stay in Business

Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:51 am to
Posted by NolaLovingClemsonFan
Member since Jan 2020
2060 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:51 am to
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Total bull shite from day one.


Some of y’all are so clueless about what happened at WeWork

They were totally OVERVALUED from day one. It wasn’t bullshite. Temporary work spaces have been around forever and have need. They steered into the hipster shite and tech bros fell in love with Adam’s shpeel in an era when money was cheap, which led to absurd valuations, but the product itself was and is still in demand

Too many folks loop WeWork in with Holmes and Theranos. They are completely different. She’s a crook and a criminal and should be in jail. He did exactly what he was supposed to do: sold his company’s performance and pipeline to the best of his ability and sold it so well he got a couple of fools to give him ludicrous valuations. That ain’t his fault, that’s on them
Posted by Nephropidae
Brentwood
Member since Nov 2018
2722 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 7:17 am to
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Relying on people who are self employed and working from home to pay you so they can come to your building to work is so stupid and no sustainable at all. Why would anyone rent one of these spaces out? Only customers that probably kept this place afloat is hipsters
there are plenty of businesses using flex space like this. It’s been around for a while and only growing post Covid with hybrid work. WeWork had a wild ride (worked out great for Adam) and ultimately waaaaaaaay overvalued from the start and virtually no chance of recovering due to the liabilities. If it weren’t for the debt, they’d be crushing it.

Someone will end up with the underlying business operations. And, if not, all the tenants will use other flex spaces.
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
4537 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 7:55 am to
I've had this idea but for cars

I'd call it "WeBaws"

Imagine having like a ten bay garage... pristinely clean.

Has all the tools and gadgets you need to work on your car. Mechanic like lifts. Big Halogen lights to see everything. Wrenches. Drills. Screwdrivers. Every bay comes with a fully stocked tool chest. Big arse fans blowing to keep everyone cool. A nice polished concrete floor. The actual upkeep on the space would be so minimal. It's just a clean garage.

You could have a little area that sells oil and transmission fluid and fuses and what not.

Maybe a little car wash and vacuum area around back.

Reserve your spot online for your bay, pay by the hour.

Major tools you wanted to use would be a mild hourly up charge. Maybe have an expert mechanic perusing around you could pay for his help and input when you're there.

Could come tool up your car, maybe you just want to change the oil, maybe you just want to put in a new downpipe, or put in some new springs, or just check on what that rattling is when you turn the steering wheel. Or reserve the entire day for a major overhaul project.

Maybe in places that would allow it sell some ice cold beer too.

I'm looking for a $2.2B initial valuation.

Thanks.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 7:57 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26367 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 7:59 am to
The passing themselves off as a “pre revenue” tech company was complete bullshite.

Real estate company that does short term leases would be easy to value. A tech company that links “workers on the go” with “collaborative spaces” means overvaluation. Just like almost everything else there come out of that valley in the past 10 years.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 8:25 am
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21711 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 7:59 am to
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AncientTiger


Still owes me a Sonic meetup for WKHS
Posted by GlazedDitchdigger
Member since May 2020
75 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:10 am to
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Don’t they own a ton of valuable real estate? They’ll do alright selling those assets.


No, that's the beauty of their scam. They just lease whole floors/buildings/whatever and then claim they have ___ million square feet for lease. They're just loud sublessors.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6149 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:13 am to
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I honestly want to know, who uses these places? In the era of many people working from home, why would you leave your home to go work in an office that's not even the office of your employer?


Exactly. And when people want to get out they just go to coffee shops and work for free. I see the same people with laptops at several different coffee shops I frequent around town.
Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
4856 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:14 am to
I can only speak for myself.

I would consider doing this as I live in the boonies, have shitty internet service (maxed at 25mbps) and am required by my employer to have stable fast internet connection as a condition of employment. My internet connection is neither fast nor stable.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
78716 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:21 am to
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WeWork convinced people they were tech when nobody cares if tech actually made money


So they partied like it was 1999?
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11817 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:21 am to
They wouldn't exist without the CARES Act they were belly up before the Covid crash
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5147 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:28 am to
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These were on a huge upswing prior to Covid.


I would hesitate to call it that. The founder had a movie made about his antics and problems. That's not a company I would ever invest in. I know softbank stepped in but it's still a risky play and always has been.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5147 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:30 am to
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I'd call it "WeBaws"


I'm totally sold on the name. Would it come with a pirogue and maybe a F250 with the nose raised a bit higher than the back end?

Also I'd like to see an old Camaro hood upside down on the front lawn as a fire pit.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 8:31 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
64301 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:37 am to
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I honestly want to know, who uses these places? In the era of many people working from home, why would you leave your home to go work in an office that's not even the office of your employer?


It’s geared towards startups and people wanting to network. Not sure if they still do all the fringe stuff like when Adam was there, but it was almost like a community more than just physical office space. They hosted events and happy hours there and stuff like that.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26774 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:06 am to
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Real estate company that does short term leases would be easy to value. A tech company that links “workers on the go” with “collaborative spaces” means overvaluation. Just like almost everything else there come out of that valley in the past 10 years.

This pretty much nails it. They depicted themselves as a tech company when they were nothing of the sort. They were basically a loud subleasing company that offered really good leasing flexibility and good space for premium rates. That in itself is not revolutionary or controversial.

I think they do (or did until recently) still have a decent amount of office space that they own, but I’m sure they’re having to severely mark down those values in the current environment. They’re probably underwater on a lot of it.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 9:08 am
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
7399 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:27 am to
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I would hesitate to call it that. The founder had a movie made about his antics and problems. That's not a company I would ever invest in. I know softbank stepped in but it's still a risky play and always has been.


Softbank hasn't exactly been hitting home runs recently.

They invested in Uber at its peak and the value has been cut in half. They also own almost half of OYO Rooms which is hemorrhaging money
Posted by doublecutter
Member since Oct 2003
6983 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:34 am to
My daughter used to work a remote job that she would occasionally have to give a presentation to a small group , like 3 or 4 people. Her company didn't want her to use coffee shops, etc, so she had a place in downtown Chicago where she rented a small conference room. She could go there and set up everything she needed and there was a receptionist who would show her clients in when they arrived.

So, it seems like in large cities there is a need for that kind of thing.
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
454 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:49 am to
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I honestly want to know, who uses these places? In the era of many people working from home, why would you leave your home to go work in an office that's not even the office of your employer?


I can't speak to WeWork's business model specifically but the company I work for moved out of our downtown office earlier this year since everyone was pretty much working from home anyway. We still had a few people that liked to come to the office so we have a shared office space similar to this. There is a private office that can hold 5-6 people then we share the rest of the space with all of the other companies there. It makes sense for some companies that don't want the overhead of a whole office.

I go down there occasionally but only because I have to drop off or pick up hardware, not really to work.

I do sometimes like to get out of the house to work but I'll just go to a coffee shop or restaurant, rather than drive downtown.
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
7399 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:41 am to
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So, it seems like in large cities there is a need for that kind of thing.


There is a need, but you don't need one on every corner which is what they seemed like they were doing
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
91910 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:43 am to
Thanks for posting a paywall article baw
Posted by Bruco
Charlotte, NC
Member since Aug 2016
3015 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:59 am to
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There is a need, but you don't need one on every corner which is what they seemed like they were doing


Yep, got to the point where some lenders had significant exposure to them without actually lending them a dime. They were such a massive tenant across office buildings
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