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re: Welp. Looks like Polio is back on the menu.

Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:34 pm to
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Do you think that just because we have evidence for human to human transmission
*don't have evidence
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:36 pm to
It's very simple. Pay people to get coughed and sneezed on by sick people. Large sample, double blind, controlled, etc.

I'd be one of your subjects as long as I can see everything's on the up and up

There's not even any questionable studies that have done that and successfully made people sick. Only ones that have failed

It's very simple. It's a simple study. You've had 100 years of germ theory.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:38 pm to
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It's very simple. Pay people to get coughed and sneezed on by sick people. Large sample, double blind, controlled, etc.


HOW?

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:38 pm to
Lol, you posted the Rosenau experiment without any irony. It doesn't seem like weighing evidence is your strong-suit.

Again, it is very weird that you invoke the immune and then deny germ theory all in one breath. But I guess it isn't weird that you can't understand the connection.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:39 pm to
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There's not even any questionable studies that have done that and successfully made people sick. Only ones that have failed



Post them. Post them with better quality than the Rosenau study please, because you apparently didn't understand the history of Pfeiffer's bacillus at all.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:42 pm to
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Does the OT approve of this Jab?


Well, seeing that it’s an actual “vaccine” then yeah.


Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:42 pm to
Any way you attempt. Have equal number of subjects experience the same environment over a period of time minus the cough and sneezing. Hell, compare to the general population. Don't even attempt to control at all. Hell, be shoddy. There is not even a shoddy one. Any parameters you want. Don't you think this is an issue it has never been done at all?
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:46 pm to
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Have equal number of subjects experience the same environment over a period of time minus the cough and sneezing.


Somehow, I doubt you would accept contact tracing. LINK
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:49 pm to
You know exactly why it shouldn't be accepted as any proof of such a theory. But you don't even wonder why such a simple idea isn't put to the simple test and everything is done in this roundabout "dynamic" way, contact tracing, after-the-fact "outbreak" studies, and the consensus can't be questioned. You don't wonder why it is this way. It's such a simple study. Why don't you wonder? You're not allowed to. It's absolutely pathetic
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 3:50 pm
Posted by Chingon Ag
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:51 pm to
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Thank you to the anti-vaxxers


Lol. All of the thanks goes to our friends from the south of the border that come across illegally and our politicians that want votes from illegals.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61386 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:52 pm to
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Lol. All of the thanks goes to our friends from the south of the border that come across illegally and our politicians that want votes from illegals.



Thanks Biden Vaxers.



Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:52 pm to
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Thank you to the anti-vaxxers

Most likely thanks to immigration, but if you're vaxxed, what do you care?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:54 pm to
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You know exactly why it shouldn't be accepted as any proof of such a theory. But you don't even wonder why such a simple idea isn't put to the simple test and everything is done in this roundabout "dynamic" way, contact tracing, after-the-facy "outbreak" studies, and the consensus can't be questioned. It's absolutely pathetic



Wow, I didn't know inference wasn't an allowed method of reasoning. I'm sure you are consistent about that.

Yet, in this case, the virus had the same specific genotype. Given that wild-type viruses have up to 12% variation of 150 AA sequence of a nucleoprotein, the fact all sequenced cases were of the same strain, which is a requirement for genotyping, is very curious. What's the terrain theory answer about this?
Posted by PentagonTiger
Taylor Hall
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:55 pm to
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Well, seeing that it’s an actual “vaccine” then yeah.


Is J&J and Novavax not ok? I thought the antivax Covid crowd was just anti-MRNA. These are two, traditional protein-based vaccines. Just curious where the covid antivaxxers stand
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:57 pm to
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Wow, I didn't know inference wasn't an allowed method of reasoning.
The inference existed before the study, it is the only inference allowed, any other inference is verboten, every study absolutely must meet that inference.


Don't you wonder why you are going on inferences when cold hard proof is so simple and clearly obtainable with a basic experiment, with all the world history of various experiments in the name of medicine, shouldn't it have been done a million times? And yet you can't find a single one? You should wonder about that.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 3:58 pm
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15728 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:58 pm to
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Would be pretty stupid to not get the polio vaccine since it, you know, actually works

And it appears to be one of the safest vaccines ever created. Yes, it killed some people at first and caused about 40,000 people to actually contract polio… but those glitches were worked out over time.

Late adopters benefitted the most from that vaccine. The sacrifice of those early human guinea pigs was really appreciated.

Isn’t that really the benefit of using human early adopters? Thank you all for your sacrifice!
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
61386 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:59 pm to
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Is J&J and Novavax not ok? I thought the antivax Covid crowd was just anti-MRNA. These are two, traditional protein-based vaccines. Just curious where the covid antivaxxers stand



That’s not the “vaccine” that had people fired over because they refused to have it injected in their bodies.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 4:00 pm to
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The inference existed before the study, it is the only inference allowed, any other inference is verboten, every study absolutely must meet that inference.



What is the inference before the study in this case? The fact is that 33 individuals who had measles had the same exact serotype of the disease. That specific serotype was unreported in Ireland before this particular outbreak. What can we reasonably infer? What is the terrain theory response to this?

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Don't you wonder why you are going on inferences when cold hard proof is so simple and clearly obtainable with a basic experiment, with all the world history of various experiments in the name of medicine, shouldn't it have been done a million times? And yet you can't find a single one? You should wonder about that.


Yeah man, direct human experimentation of infectious disease is usually done at the population level, because the data is more robust. But maybe you should think things through as well for once. Or lest you post the Rosenau experiment again and pretend like that acts as all the proof you need, which is what you've done.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11530 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 4:03 pm to
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That’s not the “vaccine” that had people fired over because they refused to have it injected in their bodies.


I get the sense that this is the real objection to Pfizer & Moderna vaccines, not mRNA technology which is often the stated/rationalized objection.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 4:04 pm to
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What's the terrain theory answer about this?


Maybe the kids were swapping boogers.
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