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re: Welp. Looks like Polio is back on the menu.

Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:09 pm to
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You can't prove that oxygen is used as the terminal electron acceptor in mammalian mitochondria!
I'm not doing oxygen mammalian mitochondrial based therapy.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:11 pm to
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I'm not doing oxygen mammalian mitochondrial based therapy.



Still can't prove it I see.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:12 pm to
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On pathology of a sputum sample from a person with TB, what do you see?
Probably TB.

Now how do YOU know it got there from someone else's sputum? It is TB and it does injure cells. Try to understand that does not make a case for its origin as a naturally developed living parasite that infects by jumping from person to person via inhaled aerosolized sputum expectorations. That is a ridiculous non sequitur
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:13 pm to
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Still can't prove it I see.
CORRECT. I admit what I can't prove. I don't double down in idiocy.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:21 pm to
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Now how do YOU know it got there from someone else's sputum? It is TB and it does injure cells.


Again, the aerosol distinction doesn't carry meaning anymore. Secondly, what is the size of TB nuclei?

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Try to understand that does not make a case for its origin as a naturally developed living parasite that infects by jumping from person to person via inhaled aerosolized sputum expectorations.


So, the process of elimination isn't a valid method of interpreting evidence? You really aren't being evidence-based here.
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:24 pm to
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I don't double down in idiocy.


subtle not a chiropractor brag
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:29 pm to
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So, the process of elimination isn't a valid method of interpreting evidence
Correct, when all the choices aren't allowed

And the experimental tests of your choice have always failed and never succeeded
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:31 pm to
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CORRECT. I admit what I can't prove.


Okay, next time we get a smear-positive TB patient, you can come in the room and stay with them the entire time. You can't use droplet or airborne precautions, there won't be the use of any disinfectants, and no primary or secondary prevention. Just you and one Mr. Mycobacterium tuberculosis, mano e mano, a classic battle with what the ancient Chinese called jiuchong (nine worms) and feijiehe (lung knot) versus your qi (lifeforce?).
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:34 pm to
Ok. That's fine. Experiments have shown I won't get sick. You have no idea how much I've been coughed on.

Meanwhile you'll sterilize and quarantined everyone and still wonder how they got sick.

It's hilarious
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:37 pm to
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Correct, when all the choices aren't allowed


So at the least, we can rule out autoimmune and carcinogenic causes then. I can't wait till you produce some histopathology slides of the miasma. I can't wait to see how you will use Castellani's paint to stain the ether.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:38 pm to
I tried but you wouldn't peer review or publish.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:40 pm to
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You have no idea how much I've been coughed on.


Weird fetish but whatever suits you man.

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Meanwhile you'll sterilize and quarantined everyone and still wonder how they got sick.



From TB? Nah.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:41 pm to
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I tried but you wouldn't peer review or publish.



Lol I don't have any pull on these magazines.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:41 pm to
No you get coughed on too. Or maybe you're the freak in the beekeeper suit. Anyways, your colleagues do, the nurses do, a lot of people do at their work and Mother Teresa did.

But it's their immune system. It's your immune system and mine. Be strong and healthy like us and you won't catch the viruses and bacteria. Be weak and diseased and you might catch them. Also, we've never proven anyone can catch em. Weird.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:43 pm to
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Anyways, your colleagues do, the nurses do, a lot of people do at their work and Mother Teresa did.



which are you? a physician, a nurse, a hospital janitor, or a fraud?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:58 pm to
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No you get coughed on too.


I think you are overestimating how many times we get coughed on brother. Maybe you don't understand how inpatient settings work. Even on clinic weeks, I'm not sitting here getting drenched in people's coughs. And if I feel under the weather, it is really difficult to call out.

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Anyways, your colleagues do, the nurses do, a lot of people do at their work and Mother Teresa did.


Brother, I end up doing far more work than these nurses who can't seem to manage any patient load. I've even stopped asking them for the little things that aren't my direct responsibility like getting patients water and getting other sundry items. I end up getting lots of older patients who are lonely and sometimes on normal months on floors during afternoon rounds I'll sit with them and just talk. I got a bug, and its definitely being too passionate about medicine, hence why I engage at all.

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But it's their immune system. It's your immune system and mine. Be strong and healthy like us and you won't catch the viruses and bacteria. Be weak and diseased and you might catch them.


It's weird that you invoke the immune system here, because they certainly seem to believe in the transmissibility of pathogens. It's built into that system, from how it detects antigens to how it fights pathogens.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:01 pm to
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I got a bug
this bug is found in all people with your passion
This bug has consistent characteristics of passion infection
Thus this proves you got the bug directly from someone else's passion spilling on you
According to our models it is the only fit
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:02 pm to
So, how is TB spread?
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:04 pm to
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So, how is TB spread?
I don't know. If you have a theory let's put it to an experiment.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 3:30 pm to
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this bug is found in all people with your passion
This bug has consistent characteristics of passion infection
Thus this proves you got the bug directly from someone else's passion spilling on you


Do you think that just because we have evidence for human to human transmission that it means you can't get diseases from non-human zoonotic and/or environmental sources? Methods of transmissibility aren't mutually exclusive. They don't negate one another. And yeah, in your case, it was a molecular immunology professor who first got me interested deeply in immunology. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to prove here.

Again, the immune system accounts for this in the most direct and obvious way. I'm not blaming you for this, but generally the advanced stages of immunology aren't taught until upper-level classes, and the reality of how the immune system operates doesn't really become apparent until you understand how the body operates as a whole.
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