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re: Welp, found one of the NOLA monument "secret donors"

Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:28 am to
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:28 am to
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we were walking through the marble garden


The horror.... How could he ever get his thoughts off those damn statues?
Posted by Placebeaux
Bobby Fischer Fan Club President
Member since Jun 2008
51852 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:31 am to
What a POS
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
12475 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:45 am to
"Fusion really upsets the Lincoln Center crowd. They take the position that the work of men like Miles Davis, Wayne Shorter and Joe Zawinul since 1969 should be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Marsalis doesn't even consider Bitches Brew and the albums Davis made after it to be jazz. He says they're rock, and won't allow rock in his building."
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18142 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:49 am to
I once met him at a Music master class. He was a complete racist. He told us white musicians that we weren't capable of playing like the black musicians.

We were shocked at what an arse he was.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
11131 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:52 am to
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Wynton’s grandfather, a Mississippi native who moved to New Orleans in 1927, ran a motel that serviced African Americans during segregation. They did well. The Marsalis Mansion Motel had customers such as Martin Luther King Jr. and Ray Charles.


Sounds like he came from a good family
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:54 am to
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Why does it always have to be some offended liberal democrat in NY that thinks he can run the south from afar?

who cares? it was a monument to a dude that fought against the united states...in the united states. melt more.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111640 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:57 am to
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who cares? it was a monument to a dude that fought against the united states...in the united states. melt more.



And you couldn't figure out you were supposed to be offended by it until someone told you that you should 130 years after it was erected and stood for all that time.
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:00 pm to
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And you couldn't figure out you were supposed to be offended by it until someone told you that you should 130 years after it was erected and stood for all that time.
it took that long to get enough people in the city council that weren't rebellion loving bigots.

lee's statue never offended me, but i'm a white guy soooo...
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42675 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:08 pm to
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Why does it always have to be some offended liberal democrat in NY that thinks he can run the south from afar?

Because that's what Yankees do. Because that's what Yankees are. The first Yankees were Puritans, who came to the United States to establish a colony where everyone thought the same. These are the people who stamped out free thinkers during the Salem Witch Trials.

We Southerners weren't Puritans, we were largely Episcopalian and Scots-Irish who didn't have the authoritarian Congregationalist ethos. I don't think we much gave a damn how other people lived.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
15337 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:12 pm to
Don't confuse Puritans and Puritanism with the way those are used today.
Puritans wanted "pure" worship, it's about worship/liturgy. If you look at a Puritan "meeting house" it's devoid of ANY artistic work, or anything that helps one envision heaven. It was "pure" worship of the Word without ANYTHING that smacked of Catholic worship or Catholic artistic tradition.

They had other problems as well, but this was the intent.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33866 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:17 pm to
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Wynton Marsalis


If he died, would New Orleans care?


I don't think so.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14866 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:17 pm to
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The Marasalis family has contributed more positive attiributes to New Orleans than the rest of the posters in this thread combined.


How awesome of them!

I'm assuming none of this magic bling is reaching the knockout krewes?
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 12:23 pm
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14866 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:21 pm to
double post.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42675 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:24 pm to
What I'm talking about is the Puritan's desire for uniformity of thought. Roger Williams was banished by the Massachusetts Bay Colony for his reformist ideology.

Northerners, especially New Englanders, have historically exhibited the same zealotry in trying to impose their political will on everyone else. They wanted to secede from the Union over the Quasi-War between England and France, but then chastise Southerners for wanting to do the same thing mere decades later.
Posted by OogumBoogum
Member since Jun 2014
290 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:30 pm to
Regarding the statement: "I once met him at a Music master class. He was a complete racist. He told us white musicians that we weren't capable of playing like the black musicians."

Yes, that's all part of the new revisionist history that would deny a multicultural interpretation of jazz's origins and make it an all-black brainstorm. Last time I checked, Sicilian-Americans were very much involved in jazz's early origins, cut the first jazz record, gave us Sharkey Bonano, Louie Prima, Sam Butera, etc. And it was the Creole musicians with classical training -- with a little coffee in their cream -- that infused musicianship into the more bluesy, Afro-centric music of Buddy Bolden. And of course the white dance bands and military marching bands contributed the tunes that were improvised upon.

It's just like the revisionist history regarding Treme: I know a bunch of white people who grew up there in the 40s and 50s, yet all we hear about now is its black origins. Now, of course, through the steamrolling power of gentrification, it's rapidly going back to more white than anything, at least the part off Rampart Street.

Everything now has to be divisive and combative and black dominated, or you're a racist.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15772 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:36 pm to
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wynton marsalis - well known


Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:37 pm to
You're gonna care when LSU can no longer be "Fighting Tigers" because of the Civil War reference behind the name. That's coming. You can believe that.

I mean afterall, the Louisiana Tigers helped to fight against the United States... in the United States. Right?
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
25696 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 12:51 pm to
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I mean afterall, the Louisiana Tigers helped to fight against the United States... in the United States. Right?


Oh but machine is a white guy so he's culturally insensitive and out of touch. Of course he doesn't care because he's a self defeating douchebag with white guilt syndrome.
Posted by tidefan408
Dothan,Al
Member since Sep 2007
488 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:14 pm to
Robert e Lee led a rebellion against the United States of America.He was fighting for a country whose economy was built on the enslavement of other human beings.I can't think of a worse cause to be fighting for.

Before you start calling me a Yankee or a member of a "certain demographic" I'll let you know I was born and raised in South Alabama and I had several relatives who fought for the South...including one who charged Little Round Top.

I understand why they fought but I will not celebrate the cause they fought for. I'm glad the North won.Now please downvote me all you want.

I also completely understand the reasons why the statues were taken down and I have to say I agree that it was time to remove them.
Posted by tidefan408
Dothan,Al
Member since Sep 2007
488 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:14 pm to
Robert e Lee led a rebellion against the United States of America.He was fighting for a country whose economy was built on the enslavement of other human beings.I can't think of a worse cause to be fighting for.

Before you start calling me a Yankee or a member of a "certain demographic" I'll let you know I was born and raised in South Alabama and I had several relatives who fought for the South...including one who charged Little Round Top.

I understand why they fought but I will not celebrate the cause they fought for. I'm glad the North won.Now please downvote me all you want.

I also completely understand the reasons why the statues were taken down and I have to say I agree that it was time to remove them.
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