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re: We need to launch another Saturn V to the Moon ASAP
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:15 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:15 am to OMLandshark
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Sorry, time to get back into Cold War mentality.
I agree with this, and love the space program, but for now, would rather see the money spent on new and improved weapons systems to deter any bad actors against the US.
This post was edited on 5/17/20 at 10:13 pm
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Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:22 am to Volvagia
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Going to have to cause a big uptick in demand for these metals to justify the costs of launch.
That’s more what keeps the operation above water. As other posters have pointed out, it’s more for training and launching in the immediate. The real gravy in profit from the Moon Base will be launching towards asteroids and mining them. It’s estimated the first trillionaire will be the first person to mine an asteroid. There are asteroids out there with enough metal in them that are worth $10,000 quadrillion dollars. I’m not exaggerating on that figure either: USA Today
And once you’re done mining it, we send an automated craft from the Moon into low Earth orbit, it drops off the payload, humans back on Earth pick it up in the middle of the ocean, and that shuttle goes back to the Moon Base to pick up another payload. That’s when we start seeing the cheddar from the investment of a Moon Base.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:22 am to OMLandshark
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Dude, the vast majority of the fuel needed to get to and back from Mars is consumed leaving Earth’s atmosphere
That point has already been made a couple times and I concede that is a valid point, but everyone seems to be hanging their hat on that point and not really addressing the other points of my post.
The logistics of setting up even a rudimentary outpost on the moon is staggering. Then to think about what it would take to set up launch facilities for further space travel, the facilities to turn that ice into working fuel and deliver it to the rockets to use, the supplies needed to allow missions to go back and forth like all of you are proposing.
Let's just leave it at this. Call me very skeptical and I think far too many of you have watched too many Star Wars and Star Trek movies.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:25 am to OMLandshark
LOL at you sheep who believe there's a moon.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:27 am to DeafJam73
Mine the moon for what? What resources does it have?
—-Man, you are ignert. Just search wiki for lunar resources
—-Man, you are ignert. Just search wiki for lunar resources
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:27 am to OMLandshark
The startup costs are so staggering to do it.
Man to have someone pull it off though. Make it profitable and suddenly going to Mars ain't that big of a deal.
Man to have someone pull it off though. Make it profitable and suddenly going to Mars ain't that big of a deal.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:31 am to gumbo2176
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The logistics of setting up even a rudimentary outpost on the moon is staggering. Then to think about what it would take to set up launch facilities for further space travel, the facilities to turn that ice into working fuel and deliver it to the rockets to use, the supplies needed to allow missions to go back and forth like all of you are proposing.
Yep. It'd be a bitch. The difference between then and now is that we have the tech to do it. We just dont have the desire.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:33 am to jeffsdad
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Why not just launch to Mars in the first place?
Escape velocity is much lower from the moon. The vast majority of weight on a space-faring vessel is fuel to escape gravity of the Earth, and obviously the more shite you have on board the more fuel you need. It's a brutal spiral.
You make a bunch of small launches, assemble the ship on the moon, then you can take more shite at once to Mars.
In addition, there are theories of "space elevators" that completely avoid having to launch off Earth to bring materials and parts to the moon to assemble a rocket and that is the ideal scenario
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:35 am to gumbo2176
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That point has already been made a couple times and I concede that is a valid point, but everyone seems to be hanging their hat on that point and not really addressing the other points of my post.
It’s a very big one though. Distance isn’t really the biggest factor in space like it is here on Earth. Once you have your speed and trajectory, you don’t really need fuel until you get to your destination or are looking to sling shot off of another planet/moon. Fuel is really only for starting and stopping.
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The logistics of setting up even a rudimentary outpost on the moon is staggering. Then to think about what it would take to set up launch facilities for further space travel, the facilities to turn that ice into working fuel and deliver it to the rockets to use, the supplies needed to allow missions to go back and forth like all of you are proposing.
Think of how staggering it was for our ancestors to leave the comforts of civilization in Europe to come to America where civilization was unrecognizable to them. Humanity has done these experiments in the past to great success, so I don’t see why this should be any different.
It’s going to be hard, people will die/have died in pursuit of this vision, but we have to prevail or we die on this planet. The enemy of humanity is the status quo. We grow fat, weak, and lazy under it and end up destroying ourselves. This pandemic should be a wake up call that we need a major backup plan for our species. The Moon Base is the logical next step, then Mars, then a space elevator/Europa, and finally interstellar space. Mankind was born on Earth. It was never meant to die here.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:35 am to OMLandshark
Well bigot, we have to spend money on government entitlement programs. Along with funding other countries.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:36 am to OMLandshark
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it’s time for an American crew to land on Mars and reinstate to the world how we’re uniquely better than them.
have you considered that maybe we aren't anymore after 40+ years of war on the middle and working class while the wealthy destroyed the fabric of our society to line their pockets even more
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:37 am to sanora
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have you considered that maybe we aren't anymore after 40+ years of war on the middle and working class while the wealthy destroyed the fabric of our society to line their pockets even more
Clearly you’ve never been to China.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:37 am to zippyputt
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I agree with this, and love the space program, but for now, would rather see the money spent on new and improved weapons systems for the military so there is no question we are superior to all others.
or we could stop wasting trillions on things we don't need and won't ever use and spend that money on making our country functional again
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:40 am to sanora
the fact that a bunch of trailer park dwellers will threaten to kill you for questioning whether or not the rich have our best interest at heart really tells you that the country gets what it deserves
we are getting poorer every year while they become billionaires and trillionaires but maybe if we grovel enough they will actually let the money "trickle down" like reagan promised and never delivered
we are getting poorer every year while they become billionaires and trillionaires but maybe if we grovel enough they will actually let the money "trickle down" like reagan promised and never delivered
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:40 am to OMLandshark
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Sorry, time to get back into Cold War mentality.
Dude we ran out of Nazi scientists. Only Germans can get you to the moon and technologically progress the world.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:44 am to Volvagia
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The main benefit of the moon base would be to test ground equipment intended for mars in a low gravity environment
This. A moon base would allow proof of concept for many technologies with a much smaller cost of failure. There’s a pretty good TED Talk from an architect who worked on a concept for bases that would be built by robots, 3D-printed from moon/Mars dust before human arrival. It’s a hell of a lot cheaper to work out the kinks on the moon than Mars.
Beyond that, things like orbital assembly, space elevators, etc. would be easier to prove out on the moon - the caveat being that you still have to get the materials there in the first place.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:48 am to lostinbr
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have to get the materials there in the first place.
Ain't nothing but money
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:07 am to IAmNERD
Maybe if there were a lot of rare earth minerals up there. I can't see shipping of load of any of those metals back to earth, except maybe titanium.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:09 am to jeffsdad
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Maybe if there were a lot of rare earth minerals up there. I can't see shipping of load of any of those metals back to earth, except maybe titanium.
It’s also a launching point to asteroids. That’s where we make the real money off the Moon Base.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:22 am to OMLandshark
dude. trump is going to mine the moon.
patience grasshopper.
sign up.
patience grasshopper.
sign up.
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