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re: Ways to skirt a realator when buying?

Posted on 8/3/18 at 10:31 am to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/3/18 at 10:31 am to
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If you're buying, you don't pay the commission... The seller does.
This is the most tired trope of the industry and it's entirely misleading. Who writes the check to buy the damned house? That's right, the buyer.
Posted by bobaftt1212
Hills of TN
Member since Mar 2013
1375 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 10:44 am to
why would you want to skirt them as a buyer?
Posted by ConfusedHawgInMO
Member since Apr 2014
3578 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 10:49 am to
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With all the online resources now, why do realators get 6%??? I’m basically finding all the houses I want to look at or would be interested in. What do they do?


You found the house directly from the realtor by viewing their online listing. They got you. You try to bypass them now and they will hunt you down and show up at the closing. You can not get away.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 10:52 am to
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PortHudsonPlaya
Ways to skirt a realator when buying?


The answer to your question is this: Look for your own house without an agent. Line up an RE attorney to handle paperwork for you. When you find the home you like, approach the seller and negotiate your price. THEN negotiate it even lower (should be at least 2% lower) based on the fact that they won't have to pay an agent representing you.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 10:53 am to
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why would you want to skirt them as a buyer?
So he can pay less for the house. Please try to keep up.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11764 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 11:29 am to
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Who is paying 6% these days?


A lot of Realtors must have downvoted this. I have negotiated down below 6% on the last three houses I have sold.
Posted by Balloon Huffer
Member since Sep 2010
3421 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 11:41 am to
go ahead and skip the realtor.

BTW Moron, as a buyer the realtor is free.

But go ahead.

When your selling, also go ahead, you think you save anything by going FSBO? Every single buyer just takes 10-15k off your price, knowing you have no realtor.

Just more work for yourself, less money, and a lot more legal risk.

Enjoy.

And people always wonder why they can never get ahead in life.

Newsflash - when you want an item that costs $100, and you go the DIY route, spend 5 hours of your life and $90 to make a inferior product ---- you have lost.

This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 11:42 am
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11764 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 11:46 am to
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When your selling, also go ahead, you think you save anything by going FSBO? Every single buyer just takes 10-15k off your price, knowing you have no realtor.


Why $10-$15K? I usually just take 2 or 3% of what I think it is worth and split the savings with them.

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a lot more legal risk.


Closing Attorneys are everywhere and work for the same price if you don't have a realtor.

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Newsflash - when you want an item that costs $100, and you go the DIY route, spend 5 hours of your life and $90 to make a inferior product ---- you have lost.


It isn't for everyone. Many people are very capable of going the DIY route.
This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 11:52 am
Posted by Wes Tweegan
Westwego, LA United States
Member since Oct 2015
69 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:34 pm to
If the house you're looking at is already listed, then you're only screwing yourself if you choose to "do it alone". The commission is already part of the deal, and you will not be able to "skirt the realtor". He/she is getting the agreed commission (5%, 6%, etc) whether you negotiate on your own, or not. So, why not bring in your own realtor to negotiate on your behalf, and protect your interest? Beware of the dual agent (the listing agent that tries to work both sides of the transaction). Few agents are ethically equipped to work both sides fairly; someone (usually the buyer) is going to consciously,or not, get screwed. So, never let the listing agent act as your agent (the Buyer's agent) in any sales transaction. He/she will be salivating over the unshared commission, but may be tempted to "miss" a few things important to you in order to get to the Act of Sale. If you, however, bring in your own realtor, then the two realtors (and their respective brokers) will split the commission per the terms of the listing agreement..and both will have likely earned their commission. Just so you know, it isn't necessarily a 50/50 split. Depending on the listing agreement, it could be 60/40, 55/45, 70/30, etc. Some listing agents will negotiate a more advantageous split for themselves with the owner. However, some of the less ethical selling agents can, and do, spurn listings with lower splits, and direct their clients to homes with more desirable commission schedules. So the listing agent who attempts to get greedy with a one-sided split might find themselves with a listing that other agents conveniently refuse to show.


In the end, the only way to "skirt a realtor" is to find a home on your own that is "For Sale by Owner". Then, and only then, might you save some dollars on the selling price... because the Seller won't be paying a commission to a listing agent. If you're not totally familiar with the sales process, though, you may want to bring an agent in to negotiate the deal and, again, protect your interest. To go it alone is best left to an experienced buyer... not a novice. There are way to many pitfalls in the typical real estate transaction that could make you regret the purchase A good realtor is easily worth their commission. Bad ones aren't...so choose wisely. Nice legs don't mean shite.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:52 pm to
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BTW Moron, as a buyer the realtor is free.
Who's the moron?
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10642 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 1:03 pm to
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You’re buying, you don’t pay the realtor


So many of you are still on the hook for this excellent marketing by the RE industry, can't believe how so many of you just don't get it... If the buyer is the only one bringing money to the table, THEY ARE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING... all costs, including realtor commissions are FULLY accounted for in the acceptance of the deal by the seller... If they didn't have to account for the buyers realtor's 3%, THEY WOULD ACCEPT A LOWER OFFER!
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76123 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 1:11 pm to
Told straight faced that lowering a commission will attract less realtors because there isn't as much money.

Think about that, they have no duty to satisfy their buyer. Yet they have basically set up a monopoly to limit exposure.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 1:28 pm to
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So many of you are still on the hook for this excellent marketing by the RE industry, can't believe how so many of you just don't get it... If the buyer is the only one bringing money to the table, THEY ARE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING... all costs, including realtor commissions are FULLY accounted for in the acceptance of the deal by the seller... If they didn't have to account for the buyers realtor's 3%, THEY WOULD ACCEPT A LOWER OFFER!
It's amazing how many guppies are out there just gobbling up industry talking points.
Posted by ConfusedHawgInMO
Member since Apr 2014
3578 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 2:28 pm to
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Closing Attorneys are everywhere and work for the same price if you don't have a realtor.


The lender & title company will take care of the legal BS. However to be clear the bank will be taking care of themselves not you. If they are cool with it then it is likely fine. The bank wants to make sure you have good clear title before they will even let you mortgage it.

The realtor doesn't help with any of that crap anyway. All they do after the contract is signed is bug the piss out of the lender and title company wanting to know when the closing is.

If I was selling I'd try DIY. Buying is a little harder because realtors use all the web sites that used to be for the DIY'er.
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2757 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 2:38 pm to
Real estate agents used to provide value because they had a lock on all the listings. That is gone now. I purchased in Nola a few years ago. I think I fired 6 agents before finding one that was decent. She was great but... Still didnt provide value equal to what she was paid.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29251 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 3:21 pm to
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Either I have to agree to drop the sale price or the buyer has to come up with the entire $25k difference between appraisal and sale price


That’s not factually correct.....if you’re getting a mortgage through a bank they will not allow a transaction for over the appraised value. Also any side deal you try with the homeowner would be illegal as well. Only way to above appraised value is for the entire deal to be in cash.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76123 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 3:24 pm to
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if you’re getting a mortgage through a bank they will not allow a transaction for over the appraised value


That's not true.
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
4674 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 3:36 pm to
I've always felt that realtor is a hard word to spell.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29251 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 3:59 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 8/3/18 at 4:27 pm to
Skirt a what?
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